Post by jeff3948 December 22, 2011 (1 of 10)
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Dear Editor of SA-CD.net. There are two Amazon USA product links for this SACD. Other than the link you show, Amazon USA shows this product here as well: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00008S80J
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Post by zeus December 22, 2011 (2 of 10)
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jeff3948 said:
Dear Editor of SA-CD.net. There are two Amazon USA product links for this SACD.
There are two Amazon entries for all BIS SA-CDs (and some other labels as well). This site just shows the one with the cheapest new price on the respective Amazon site.
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Post by Chris December 23, 2011 (3 of 10)
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IMO this a recording that both musically and recording-wise is so good that I at least don't really need any other versions of these works.
On my system it sounds excellent with very natural balance not only between solo instrument and orchestra but also delivers a very realistic and coherent live feeling of the acoustic where the recording was made. Just very well naturally recorded good music showing how good and realistic pure DSD recordings can be when done right. But judging by another thread here there seem to be some here who hate that?
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I have just ordered this from Europadisc UK for £10. Bis on offer with them until 28th Feb. I have learned a lot about Bis by reading SA-CD. My previous experience with their product was not good with only average CD quality on SACD. I now understand that for a while their masters were CD quality and that at some time recently they switched to DSD Hi-resolution. The Grieg will be my first example. If it is good I hope it will be the first of many to enter my collection as artistically the productions are very attractive. I would welcome any guidance members can give me regarding which are the newer DSD recordings.
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Post by bissie December 26, 2011 (5 of 10)
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old-dog-newtricks said:
I have just ordered this from Europadisc UK for £10. Bis on offer with them until 28th Feb. I have learned a lot about Bis by reading SA-CD. My previous experience with their product was not good with only average CD quality on SACD. I now understand that for a while their masters were CD quality and that at some time recently they switched to DSD Hi-resolution. The Grieg will be my first example. If it is good I hope it will be the first of many to enter my collection as artistically the productions are very attractive. I would welcome any guidance members can give me regarding which are the newer DSD recordings.
Dear old-dog,
I can answer this: we do not record in DSD, but we have started to record in 24/88,2 or 24/96 rather than 24/44,1. The reasons we have unchosen DSD have been clearly stated innumerable times on the BIS Thread, so I won't repeat them here.
It is not correct to call our SACD:s CD quality (except on the CD layer), since they are all in 24-bit, and that's where you really hear the difference. And, which is far more interesting, the artistic quality really is there, as you state yourself. After all, we're dealing with music here, aren't we?
Robert
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Post by wehecht December 26, 2011 (6 of 10)
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old-dog-newtricks said:
I would welcome any guidance members can give me regarding which are the newer DSD recordings.
Actually the dsd recordings were the earliest of BIS' sacds (including most of the Bergen Philharmonic Grieg series), not the most recent. As Robert says BIS has switched from 24/44.1, which was already significantly better than rbcd's 16/44.1 resolution, to higher resolution 24/88.2 or 24/96 pcm. Whether any of this matters has been the source of heated debate ad nauseam on the BIS thread. A simple test is to compare the Grieg concerto disc, which is dsd, with the Grieg Peer Gynt suites disc, which is not. Same orchestra, same conductor, same hall, and to some extent the same production team. For myself, I hear too little difference to get excited about, and I find that venue, mic placement, taste and skill of the production team and a host of other factors typically play more of a role in the end result than the type of recording gear used. Others, of course think quite differently. In my experience BIS' excellence in all areas of production has made for a great many truly superior sacds. De gustibus etc.
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I agree. I recently upgraded my player to the current Arcam on which RBCDs sound vastly superior both in overall sound and resolution to even my Quad CDP. There is, as you say, clearly more to music than how it is recorded. However it is only right that we do strive for the best sound as well. The sojourn with 16bit/44.1 was perhaps a costly mistake. I do find that it is easier to concentrate on the music (ie forget about the sound source) with good modern SACDs than with most RBCDs - especially over an extended listening period. I have ordered the Piano Concerto disc and the String Music (1491)one so will at least be able to compare as you say. (Though I will have to wait until the new year as most distributors here are closed until Jan 3!.) Interestingly, the reason I have chosen those is to fill a glaring gap in my collection, ie good authentic recordings of Grieg.
On a technical note I am curious to know which has the biggest influence on the sound, sampling rate or bit depth. Perhaps this is subject of a different thread but Robert seems to suggest that bit depth makes more difference while others suggest that sampling rate is the holy grail.
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I think there's a point at which the sampling rate quite simply no longer is as important as bit depth. That is to say that you reach a point where sampling rate can know longer be as discernible (but then there would be those who disagree). Further, I believe both DSD and PCM producers realize the limitations of their own chosen format. I have favorites from Channel, Pentatone, BIS, and Dacapo, the latter two recording in PCM nowadays and the former in DSD.
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Post by hiredfox August 5, 2013 (9 of 10)
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This disc has been around for so long that many stalwarts long may have forgotten it whilst many newcomers may not have encountered it at all. By chance we fished it out to compare one of the pieces "In Autumn" with the performance by the WDR Orchestra under Aadland on Audite's newly released disc.
Although unwilling to pre-empt any review of the latter, this old BIS disc was an eye opener and reminded us of the follies in this hobby of always searching out the new at the expense of re-visiting regularly what is already in our catalogue archive.
Beautifully recorded in DSD (no less - it says so, it sounds so) and with the Bergen Philharmonic under Ruud playing as well as they have ever played, Noriko Ogawa's performance of the Grieg piano concerto is outstanding by any standards showing a depth of feeling and insight that casts a spell over the listener from the first note to the last. I cannot imagine a better performance than this on disc of any format.
As always, BIS is generous to a fault in terms of giving value for money for this disc also has a fine performance of the little heard Grieg's Symphony in C, an early Schumann like composition - which he hated apparently but all his contemporaries loved so it managed to avoid being discarded at birth - as well as "In Autumn".
If you do not have this disc in your collection my recommendation is that you buy yourself a copy pronto, and not just because the few early DSD discs from BIS are as rare as hen's teeth. This is one NOT to miss!
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Post by sylvian August 5, 2013 (10 of 10)
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Thanks for this Hiredfox.....instinctively I have bought it just two years ago together with:
BISSACD1191 GRIEG In Autumn, Piano Concerto, Symphony in C minor Noriko Ogawa, Bergen Philharmonic Orchestra / Ole Kristian Ruud BIS Hybrid
BISSACD1291 GRIEG Norwegian Dances, Symphonic Dances, Lyric Suite Bergen Philharmonic Orchestra / Ole Kristian Ruud BIS Hybrid Super Audio
BISSACD1391 GRIEG Sigurd Jorsalfar Op.22, Landkjenning Op.31, Bergliot Op.42, Sorgemarsj over Rikard Nordraak, Den Bergtekne Op.32 Hakan Ha
BISSACD1441-42 GRIEG Peer Gynt - concert version. Bergen Philharmonic Orchestra / Ole Kristian Ruud. BIS 2SACDs
BISSACD1491 GRIEG Holberg Suite, Op.40, Music for Strings. Bergen Philharmonic Orchestra / Ole Kristian Ruud. BIS
BISSACD1531 GRIEG Olav Trygvason, Orchestral Songs. Bergen Philharmonic Orchestra / Ole Kristian Ruud. BIS SACD
and I am very content/pleased with the sound quality
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