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My first go-to is the Forum. Many, many of my purchases are the result of discussions there. Often I find that on the forum a balanced view emerges which is more reliable than the official reviews. As most of my purchases go through the links at the top of the page the site stands to lose revenue from my activities. I know that, as a moderated forum, quite a lot of work has to go in to making sure it is used properly but I believe there are financial benefits to be had. I for one will be very sorry to see it go.
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Post by Wolfspaw July 14, 2015 (52 of 145)
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old-dog-newtricks said:
My first go-to is the Forum. Many, many of my purchases are the result of discussions there. Often I find that on the forum a balanced view emerges which is more reliable than the official reviews. As most of my purchases go through the links at the top of the page the site stands to lose revenue from my activities. I know that, as a moderated forum, quite a lot of work has to go in to making sure it is used properly but I believe there are financial benefits to be had. I for one will be very sorry to see it go.
I agree.
The Forum was the main reason I eventually decided to signup; I had spent years being the anonymous internet ghost that came by and disappeared. I grew up with Tower Records in Los Angeles and miss being able to drop in and see their recommendation, talk to the staff etc.. One of the last great record shops in LA is Amoeba Music in Hollywood but it's not in my part of town so I get to stop by infrequently at best. If you're ever in LA (also San Francisco and Berkeley) you must check it out.
The point is is that the forums have been a great place to see what all you guys are saying and recommending and those recommendations are usually to other great SACD's. I love that. I will miss that.
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Site "upgrade." What a misnomer.
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Post by Fugue July 14, 2015 (54 of 145)
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So, when do all the changes take place? It all looks the same to me.
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Post by hiredfox July 17, 2015 (55 of 145)
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rammiepie said:
In my humble opinion, the heart and soul of SA~CD.net has always been the forum where like and sometimes disimilar minds discussed music and a variety of useful topics.
To maintain it as an afterthought, inaccessible from the main menu, is a grave mistake.
If posters want lists of endless titles and not much else, there are other sites that can be similarly accomodating.
Zeus, I would rethink your strategy concerning this move as SA~CD.net has ALWAYS been a plethora of useful information concerning new products and technologies, etc. and stripping away the ability to enact such discussions would be anathema to silencing those valuable diatribes....forever.
SA~CD.net has always been a family affair. And may it continue in this vein.
Hear! Hear!
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Post by hiredfox July 17, 2015 (56 of 145)
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zeus said:
I'm afraid I'm going to absent myself from future discussion on this matter. I seem to recollect that I went through the invective and dummy spits before when the site adopted Blu-ray Audio. There's a LOT more to do on the new site. I suggest people check back in a few weeks to decide whether there's a net gain for them or not. Nobody likes change but it's unreasonable not to expect some changes over the length of time this site has been around.
The only measure of success for your website is the buy-in from the people it is aimed at. Otherwise why does it exist?
When we visited bricks and mortar stores in days gone by, yes, we went there to buy discs but we also went there for social reasons as like minded people were there to be found and perched on bar stools at retail counters many pleasant discussion ensued on the very subject matters that occupy this forum. Sadly, those opportunities have now deserted us as further victims of the digitalia virus.
What is truly unique about SA-CD.net is the access it offers to the views and fellowship of music fans that still value realism in recorded music. Without putting too fine a point on it, this Forum has replaced those cosy counter-side conversations that once were cherished. Your website was the genesis and is now the host of a specific interest community which its members very clearly value highly. Without this we would be a bunch of intellectually frustrated, poorly-informed and lonely hobbyists sitting even more alone in their listening dens and slowly going mad.
You started this ball rolling and all credit to you for that but now you have even perhaps a moral duty not to destroy the community that you have helped create (to mix many metaphors). Speaking more frankly than normally I consider wise to do but without malice, you seem unable to come to terms with the fact that although this website was your creation you are no longer it's sole "Owner" as Bissie so eloquently pointed out. Unilateral decision making and action on the future of the forum seems ill advised at best and grossly unfair and objectionable at worse to everyone who has written commentary on it over the past many years.
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Post by Chris July 18, 2015 (57 of 145)
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This morning Saturday the 18 of July 2015 seven out of ten new reviews on this site are covering releases of old analogue material!
AND THREE OF THOSE ARE MONO RECORDINGS!
I suppose I should have added Furwängler in mono together with Miles Davis on SACD for the 10th time in my predictions of what this site will only cover in the not so distant future.
Universal have probably also run out of old material to re-release on -bluray soon.
It seems the deaf and blind Gods here have abandoned us who are interested new hi res releases both in stereo mch pcm24/96 and up to DXD and DSD from DSD64 up to 128 and 256.
The future is already here and thriving as hi res downloads. But the owner of this site prefers to turn a blind eye and ignore it.
Maybe we could take our discussions over to the Computer Audiophile site, where some of us already post and one really interested individual,musicophile,has even started a link to his own music blog?
There is also a music reviews section there. But it is so far mainly covering POP/ROCK music which doesn't interest me at all.
But it is an interesting site that seems to be both growing and inclusive, instead of limiting and retrograde in its approach.
What is still missing there are regular reviews of classical music and more attention to classical and modern art music in general imo.
But if one wants to know where things are heading and what is happening in the realm of computer audio which actually comprises at least 90 percent of the market, and the way probably 95-99 percent of all new recordings are made,it is sure a place to turn when this FORUM closes down.
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Post by Lute July 18, 2015 (58 of 145)
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hiredfox said:
What is truly unique about SA-CD.net is the access it offers to the views and fellowship of music fans that still value realism in recorded music. Without putting too fine a point on it, this Forum has replaced those cosy counter-side conversations that once were cherished. Your website was the genesis and is now the host of a specific interest community which its members very clearly value highly.
You started this ball rolling and all credit to you for that but now you have even perhaps a moral duty not to destroy the community that you have helped create (to mix many metaphors). Speaking more frankly than normally I consider wise to do but without malice, you seem unable to come to terms with the fact that although this website was your creation you are no longer it's sole "Owner" as Bissie so eloquently pointed out. Unilateral decision making and action on the future of the forum seems ill advised at best and grossly unfair and objectionable at worse to everyone who has written commentary on it over the past many years.
Hear! Hear!
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Chris said:
Maybe we could take our discussions over to the Computer Audiophile site, where some of us already post and one really interested individual,musicophile,has even started a link to his own music blog?
Chris, have you actually read musicophile's reviews? I have. Here's a sample quote from a review of a Julia Hülsmann download from ECM:
"The result is what I can personally, with all respect for the artist, only qualify as boring. It is painful to say, but this album just doesn't attract me at all...Call me simple minded (I probably am)."
Call me pedantic (I definitely am) but this uninformative review doesn't attract me at all to Computer Audiophile.
The main reasons that I regularly visit sa-cd.net—and spend hours researching and writing my own reviews of jazz SACD reissues (e.g., /showreviews/10810#11306) and new European art music (/showreviews/7190#9484) are to read thoughtful essays by well-informed, musically-educated site reviewers, and to be exposed to the wide range of musical tastes expressed in member reviews and discussions.
I haven't found a comparably high level of discourse elsewhere, and so I will continue to write reviews and read discussions of SACDs and Blu-Rays on this site, whether the Forum is preserved or not.
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Post by Chris July 18, 2015 (60 of 145)
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undertone said:
I haven't found a comparably high level of discourse elsewhere, and so I will continue to write reviews and read discussions of SACDs and Blu-Rays on this site, whether the Forum is preserved or not.
Hello undertone,
I agree and I visit this Site and Forum for basically the same reasons you do.
And so far most of the site reviews here are both very informative and well written. But there are also a growing number of bad one liner reviews here to.
But even more so at Computer Audiophile.
I simply suggested Computer Audiophile as one possible site that could take over as a Forum for general music and other release format discussions,when this site will no longer provide or allow any reviews or discussions outside of the two release formats SACD and Bluray.
Geohominid recently based part of his Nielsen Maskarade review on the pcm downloadable masterfiles instead of the SACD.
If I understand it correctly this site will soon only concentrate on reviews and discussions limited to those two gradually disappearing formats.
"Thou shalt not have any other Gods" it seems.
Like you obviously,I care a lot about music. But I am not limiting myself to only"two minor gods".
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