Thread: Marantz' Ken Ishiwata's valuable DSD insights to Andrew Everard's review of NA-11S1

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Post by Wilhelm—Xu Zhong-Rui November 30, 2013 (21 of 36)
While researching yesterday's multi-channel Thead /showthread/111076 (scanning the thumbnail results for Ken demonstrating 5.1 SA-CD) the above photo immediately caught my attention in how the composition speaks so much...

I find that that presentation happened a fortnight ago, at Overgaauw Beeld & Geluid, Leiden. An edited 16 minutes 28 seconds clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9SFdfA17dU has Ken presenting :
"We are witnessing the end of packaged media."

Which Michael Fremer had written about in :
http://www.analogplanet.com/content/marantz-launches-na-11s1-reference-class-network-audio-player-and-usb-dac
"The end of 'packaged media' is in sight Ishiwata averred, backing up his statement with a series of convincing graphs and charts displayed upon a big screen showing CD sales trending down. The new [NA-11S1] Network Player is Marantz’s latest and most ambitious response to the trend, though it is also rolling out the new SA-11S3 SACD player, one reason being that [SA-CD] disc sales in Japan have not fallen as they have in other markets and SACD player demand still exists, though at some point streaming DSD will put a crimp on that market as well."

Thus, Ken presents the NA-11S1 as "a new start, a new era" for Marantz.

And of particular interest for us, Fremer on the NA-11S1 :
"Well-recorded files included 192/24 and 96/24 bit resolution ones that sounded quite good but all agreed the best digital sound came from an analog tape-to-DSD transfer. It wasn’t even close. It was the only one that produced a credible, involving, three-dimensional soundstage and a sense of space that made you want to look as well as listen.."

Although it's YouTube (and edited) we can begin to appreciate Fremer's words by seeing and hearing what Ken chose.

Furthermore, I find that the new SA-14S1 "includes a DAC-mode that’s almost identical in functionality to that of the revolutionary NA-11S1... includes our latest ground/signal isolator technology, to virtually eliminate PC noise. The player can operate as a soundcard for your PC and the USB-B port works in asynchronous mode to support not only 192kHz/24bits but also the DSD 2.8MHz and 5.6MHz for maximized versatility and performance..."
http://www.marantz.co.uk/uk/products/pages/productdetails.aspx?catid=hifi&subcatid=sacdcdplayer&productid=sa14s1


Network (hopefully including multi-channel streaming too) audio playback is what Ken foresee, the direction...



As /showthread/111076 requires more time to properly reply to, I've decided to do so next time. Pardon.

Post by hiredfox December 1, 2013 (22 of 36)
Surely our hobby is not this unrewarding, why everyone so miserable and serious? It's supposed to be fun chaps and for sure Ken is light-hearted enough.

Where is this pic taken, is it RAF in Amsterdam?

Post by Wilhelm—Xu Zhong-Rui December 5, 2013 (23 of 36)
hiredfox said:

Surely our hobby is not this unrewarding, why everyone so miserable and serious? It's supposed to be fun chaps and for sure Ken is light-hearted enough.

Where is this pic taken, is it RAF in Amsterdam?

This Post's photo, from the same presentation, undoubtedly does communicate a different feeling.

Simply, the previous Post's photo is what I'd Posted to Ken's private Facebook Timeline earlier that evening. I chose it because it helps to convey to visitors, primarily, how hardworking he is (the YouTube link dates it as a Saturday) and how attentive his audience are...

Ken doesn't Post for Facebook. His Wall in 2008 was so bare that I made that Marantz 7001 KI centered set of advent calendar graphics especially to decorate it ; then I made a Page...

Friends care how friends are...


Plus, it remains a sobering message :
"We are witnessing the end of packaged media."

Music lovers care about and avidly studies this ever nearing future where downloading will become the primary means of distribution.

Sure, enjoy and continue with your joy in collecting SA-CDs for as long as they're around. However, fact is, DSD5.6 is a quality step forward...


Ideally, the audience Ken talks of in http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=103285291074 will be interested in what DSD delivers.

Post by Wilhelm—Xu Zhong-Rui January 18, 2014 (24 of 36)
Wilhelm—Xu Zhong-Rui said:

Plus, it remains a sobering message :
"We are witnessing the end of packaged media."

Music lovers care about and avidly studies this ever nearing future where downloading will become the primary means of distribution.

Sure, enjoy and continue with your joy in collecting SA-CDs for as long as they're around. However, fact is, DSD5.6 is a quality step forward...

An analogy : when Ken retires from Marantz it'd be like a Michelin chef I've befriended retiring... Products come and go like an evolving menu... Although I can't afford to order regularly, as a friend—I try to communicate for those interested what I know to be currently...



Well, to preempt readers not wanting stereo, I'm confident equivalent multi-channel Marantz products will come.


The above graphic is part of the SA-14S1 Tab, portraying what Ken termed their "top-down approach" (topmost products' [in this case SA-11S3 & NA-11S1] technology being passed down), from the Japanese '14 Series Special Site' :
http://www.marantz.jp/jp/14s1/sa_14s1.html


Yes, perhaps the best information is in Japanese, for Marantz HQ is Japan—the immediate market (to which product releases are available sooner than New Zealand or other countries outside of key distributors like Europe, America, et cetera [for I'm not sure about exact delivery hierarchy]).


If you're keen, click around to study the pictures, copy and paste the text to http://translate.google.com/#auto/en/

For example, if you link through and hover over to click the golden box that begins with "SA-11S3" you'd be led to http://www.marantz.jp/jp/14s1/sa_14s1_01.html showing (amid other interesting insights) how the SA-14S1 has exceeded the SA-7S1 in reducing internal jitter...



And I see, in this Thread, I'd not before linked this (written in English) worth reading "Whitepaper" :
http://www.marantz.co.uk/DocumentMaster/UK/Marantz_Whitepaper_PC-Audio_NA-11S1.pdf

Post by Disbeliever January 19, 2014 (25 of 36)
hiredfox said:

So what does Ken have to say about a SA7-S2? Will it ever happen?

Very unlikely, why on earth would you want a MK2 when you always praise the obese MK1. It seems you now realise why I sold my SA7-S1

Post by hiredfox January 19, 2014 (26 of 36)
Disbeliever said:

Very unlikely, why on earth would you want a MK2 when you always praise the obese MK1. It seems you now realise why I sold my SA7-S1

I believe this is known as a non sequitur.

Post by Disbeliever January 20, 2014 (27 of 36)
hiredfox said:

I believe this is known as a non sequitur.

FOXY Is this a non sequitur ?

A reviewers request for his Marantz SA7-S1 to the Mod Man.

1. Improve dynamics, heft, slam,overall punch, oomph.

2. Increase transparency, palpability and address blackness of background. It

has a very low-level (but noticeable) amount of "Fog" between you and the performers.Images are a tad "soft" around the edges, could use some firming up.

3. Tone is a hair on the warm side of neutral, a small correction would,not hurt. Tone is also a tad on the dry side, and if thats fixable that would be great. Cheers Mark Lawton .

Suggest you contact Ken Ishiwata and request a Mk2 SA7-S1 that you so desire having at last recognised some of its deficiencies.

Post by Wilhelm—Xu Zhong-Rui February 17, 2014 (28 of 36)
Disbeliever said the above, ending in:

Suggest you contact Ken Ishiwata and request a Mk2 SA7-S1 that you so desire having at last recognised some of its deficiencies.

Gerald, though your /showthread/111076/114963#114963 comment have prompted me to make time in what's shaping to be another busy week to write, I'm not at leisure in this attempt to thoroughly answer your festering SA-7S1 resentment.

Fact may well be that John has chosen to ignore your ignorance or is purposely baiting your frothing contempt for a spot of sport.

You've been away, if you'd followed John's Postings such as /showthread/109801/109872#109872 then you'd know he holds his SA-7S1 in utmost esteem—wanting a S2 version simply because it's been 7 years (with advancement in both technology and designers' know-how) since its 2007 release.


For a bit more context to your problem, let's reread from /showthread/30517/55361#55361 of what eventuated when Steven aka 'stvnharr' tried "to elicit how you determined that your system is "neutral" in sound character."



And, linking back to what I'd previously written in this Thread, the "top-down approach" to the NA-11S1 (and other current Premium Marantz SA-CD players) can be traced back to the attached inside view of...

Post by Wilhelm—Xu Zhong-Rui March 10, 2014 (29 of 36)
hiredfox said:

Surely our hobby is not this unrewarding, why everyone so miserable and serious?

"Today, we can be more involved and multifaceted in authenticating our participation ?" was what you chose in /showthread/115712/115819#115819 to mock for your own ends. Which you'd wrote in still other words of /showthread/115745/115850#115850 :
Hopefully I am not a lone voice in wanting this site to stay focussed solely on SACD to the exclusion of all else.


Seriously, and to be slightly "miserable" about it ; outside an unifying monomaniac facade attributable to your Moniker, who are you ?

I've long ago noticed how you'd given your name as "Harry Fox" for your question :
How does the sound quality from a replayed downloaded file compare with that of the Reference SCAD Player SA7-S1?
http://andreweverard.com/2013/09/24/review-marantz-na-11s1-a-very-good-thing-worth-the-very-long-wait/

Is Andrew deserving of your real identity while readers of this forum gets "John Luke" ?


Yes, the irony of this Post arising from my The Criterion Collection Thread will not be lost...


Now, of my questions for you, our Janus-faced John...


Others will receive my replies ; in time.



The above photo is "indeed" the inside view of the Marantz NA-11S1

Post by Wilhelm—Xu Zhong-Rui May 15, 2014 (30 of 36)
Breaking news of Marantz Europe's Facebook 'News Feed' ; release of NA8005 :
http://www.marantz.co.uk/uk/products/pages/productdetails.aspx?catid=networkproducts&subcatid=networkaudioplayer&productid=na8005

As I'd said in /showthread/98705/119309#119309 ; so thought best to incorporate its release (and my photo collage from just having searched) into this Thread rather than start a new one :)

Good night, am going offline...

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