Thread: "de audiophile way" : Marantz' Ken Ishiwata Demonstrates DSD (Multi-Channel 5.1 Reference [Floating Control Bus System])

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Post by rammiepie February 16, 2014 (101 of 137)
Euell Neverno said:

Rammie, you are harsher than the weather back there.

Well, Euell, it's a far cry from being "cornier than Kansas in August" as Gerald has repeatedly, ad nauseum, been since I've been posting on SA.CD.net!

In reality, perhaps Gerald (Disbeliever) is a 100 year old parrot who only knows two words: Sony & H.A.T.S.

Maybe it's time for his significant other to invest in a CAT.....but with my luck he'll probably name the cat Akio* and they'll become fast friends!

{*Akio Morita: co~founder of SONY}

Post by Disbeliever February 16, 2014 (102 of 137)
Ralph As I have posted many times the Sony 5400ES performs best via HDMI as a combo with the Sony DA5400ES (UK version) I have compared it with the Oppo 103 same transport sound as the 105 and I prefer the 5400ES even more so when I play Blu-Ray on the Sony BDP-1000ES compared to Oppo 103 . Absolutely no interest in a Marantz stereo only player, all my SACD,s are mch. I agree that the standard power cord supplied with the UK 5400ES is rubbish and I use a heavier duty one, However my Silver Crest High Speeed HDMI cable only costs £6 sounds same as a £100 Chord Active which received rave reviews ..

Post by hiredfox February 17, 2014 (103 of 137)
rammiepie said:

Well, Euell, it's a far cry from being "cornier than Kansas in August" as Gerald has repeatedly, ad nauseum, been since I've been posting on SA.CD.net!

In reality, perhaps Gerald (Disbeliever) is a 100 year old parrot who only knows two words: Sony & H.A.T.S.

Maybe it's time for his significant other to invest in a CAT.....but with my luck he'll probably name the cat Akio* and they'll become fast friends!

{*Akio Morita: co~founder of SONY}

Ralph, you must allow for the fact that disbeliever may be a 'Troll*' and a 'WUM*' getting his kicks from other people's verbal contortions to outwit him.

There is no other explanation for his irrational behaviour.

*By the way such internet terms as these are completely alien to me but admirably serve their purpose in succinctness.

Post by rammiepie February 17, 2014 (104 of 137)
hiredfox said:

Ralph, you must allow for the fact that disbeliever may be a 'Troll*' and a 'WUM*' getting his kicks from other people's verbal contortions to outwit him.

There is no other explanation for his irrational behaviour.

*By the way such internet terms as these are completely alien to me but admirably serve their purpose in succinctness.

Funny, chap, hiredfox: Wum is a province and commune in Cameroon but I doubt that's the meaning ascribed to Disbeliever if one googles the word and discovers it's true "core" meaning.

Post by Disbeliever February 17, 2014 (105 of 137)
You have to ask why Foxy (Hired Fox) , several times asked if there will be a Marantz SA7-S1 MK2 seems he does hear its shortcomings.he is the one with the irrational behaviour and he attacks me with his insinuations for
revealing the not very good performance of the obese Marantz SA7-S1.he is not alone even Marantz in the UK said I had caused them problems.

Post by Disbeliever February 18, 2014 (106 of 137)
Disbeliever said:

You have to ask why Foxy (Hired Fox) , several times asked if there will be a Marantz SA7-S1 MK2 seems he does hear its shortcomings.he is the one with the irrational behaviour as he attacks me with his scurrilous insinuations for
revealing the not very good performance of the obese Marantz SA7-S1. even Marantz in the UK said I had caused them problems.

Yes (Hired Fox) silence is Golden

Post by Wilhelm—Xu Zhong-Rui February 20, 2014 (107 of 137)
Disbeliever said:

5 RCA outputs are absurd, on a player ,HDMI essential , only ONE inexpensive cable required. Unfortunately from my experience Marantz looks far better than it sounds .


Iain said:

All style, no substance.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1437459/denon-avr-3313ci-compared-to-marantz-sr7007

Too [sic] above to bother with correcting...

I might've altogether been too (sicher ist sicher) subtle for you ? This Post should then be less gilded, show the clearcut lettering at the back of it all.


Gerald, your "absurd" could indeed be a keyword when one is aware and can place the present subject under variable contexts (of which jitter /showthread/111632/115027#115027 for one, historically /showthread/109290/114970#114970 as another, and many many more).

What "experience" other than your hatred for the SA-7S1 are you providing for readers besides an undetailed insinuation which leads ultimately to designing the ugliest products in terms of chassis and internal componentry so as to claim 'it sounds far better than it looks !"

We can discuss thoroughly your SA-7S1 vendetta when you next table a substantial account...


And Iain, thanks for a further instance of your clowning and clambering.

Your link perfectly illustrates your own, or you're, "style, no substance." Yes, I click through, read, re-read, chuckled till I chucked over your quoting, first in a trio of cloaked nonentities, 'jdsmoothie' who wrote, November 2012, "There are Denon fanboys and Marantz fanboys .. but are they essentially the same AVR? ......yup." Worse, its disrobing About Me says "recently joined with AV Science in Aug 2013 and can now assist with purchasing of AV gear in addition to assisting with troubleshooting... Authorized dealer for Denon, Marantz, Yamaha, Onkyo, Klipsch, KEF, Def Tech, Oppo, and much more."

(Well, the general state of retail servicing, not least of 'cross-selling' [when a customer seeks for a specific product but prejudicially, even deceitfully steered along into buying something else] is topic for a separate Thread).

Moreover, 'JasonColeman' aka "The Viking Dwarf" (I kid you not—go look) absolutely goes by appearances ; whereas 'Oldstate' said "I felt the Marantz and Denon were almost identical but I did seem to think the vocals came through a little clearer in the Marantz."

Thus, obvious questions ; uno, are these web mysteriosi your "in-the know" from :
Also, both Marantz and Denon are made by the same company. Consensus of opinion worldwide among those in-the-know is that despite the circuit topology differences between them, there is no difference in sound quality between the two brands. All you get from Marantz is a shinier chassis and quicker budget depletion.
/showthread/113002/113032#113032

Dos, your Marantz viewpoint, besides AVRs you've never stated owning nor hearing, are but part and parcel of your declared fidelity, an inverse extrapolating "experience" from likes of :
I continue to use Sony BDP and have no intention of migrating to any other brand.
/showthread/115064/115069#115069



Back to the back of the SA-17S1 ; 5.1 analogue outs references the core of this Thread. Ken's setup in the beginning Post made but one brand-based compromise (DV-12S2 [albeit, I trust, with Video Off]) in demonstrating DSD "de audiophile way" !

Because, really, "simplicity (concerning [audio only] SA-CDs should start with the absence of Video circuitry in Source and [also the absence of almost all User adjustable utilities save Volume in] Amplification ; that) is the essence of hifi" (to DSD playback) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_-aShUYDEo


Sure, I empathise, that's the ideal and not many people can reach it. But, as an informed consumer, one should know how far one is from the ideal when settling on compromises...



Mulit-channel, my wish is that DSD capable DACs will revive public interest and, or, Marantz release of equivalent Audio-dedicated entry level products like the following discontinued list : SA8260, PM8100SA, SM6100SA as well as 'high-end' ones like SA-17S1 (which, incidentally, 'flyingdutchman' too /showthread/30517/55369#55369 confirmed to using [many here respect his musical appreciation—if not appreciating his attitude]), SM-17, SC-7S1, MA-9S1...

Post by Wilhelm—Xu Zhong-Rui March 8, 2014 (108 of 137)
Polymath, that's what Ken...

I...


Spanish ; I'd used a Baltasar Gracián y Morales quote for my :
http://twitter.com/XuZhongRui


Like I'd said in /showthread/115665/115733#115733 of a 'picture' ; Ken in 1998 was trying to demonstrate... But to paraphrase two Britain based forum members who frequents these Hi-Fi Shows ; John and Gerald, "it's difficult...

Well, for 5.1, ITU equidistant configurations with 5 identical speakers and a subwoofer is what Ken adheres to. Though the 1st Post of this Thread shows how Ken ideally does multi-channel DSD (in his own costomised listening room [with top of the line separates]) ; the compromise of small 'bookshelf' speakers by an AV Receiver is not out of the question. Nevertheless, Ken of the above photo doesn't look happy, say compared to Post #1 or say in /showthread/109290/111437#111437 when...


Of course, as to Ken's fashion...


There'll be another time (and Thread) for further (from me, at least, about current...

Post by Wilhelm—Xu Zhong-Rui April 27, 2014 (109 of 137)
Iain said:

All style, no substance.

Hey sonyboy, not ignoring your sporadic denongrating of marantz, latest :
/showthread/118630//y?page=first

Forgotten Post #107 above ?

Thus, Iain, rather than being confined stylistically to being two-faced, show your multifaceted depth and provide us with substantial proof, not hearsay...


peraja's question ; the NR1504 is self-evidently an entry level...

Post by Wilhelm—Xu Zhong-Rui May 8, 2014 (110 of 137)
Wilhelm—Xu Zhong-Rui said:

peraja's question ; the NR1504 is self-evidently an entry level...

With a suggested retail price of $499 by American distributor ; £399 by UK...


Thankfully, Ken Ishiwata maintains :
My goal has always been to reach that much wider audience and give them the highest-possible-quality sound: how much you can enjoy your music shouldn't be governed by how much money you have to spend.


Well, photo shows its 'High power 5 channels amplifier with discrete output devices' :
Featuring identical circuit topology over all five power amplifier channels that are each rated at 60 watts, the NR1504 is equipped with discrete high current output devices. Since all five amp channels are of the same exact design, there’s no variation in sound quality between channels at all, for a true high fidelity surround sound listening experience.


Thus, perfect for using 5 identical speakers...

Yet, price points ; matching of 'separates' for "quality" 'surround sound' within our individual budget...

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