Post by ghostie December 9, 2010 (1 of 87)
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hi all, i am a newbie in this forum so pardon my entry level questions.
i recently bought a marantz nr1501 entry level, slim line AV receiver and while i was digging through my cd collection, i found a couple of SACD. i played them using my xbox360 over my nr1501 and thought i would get get a great difference in listening pleasure but sadly, i hardly felt it.
i knew then that my xbox360 could read the HD level from the disc and further investigation, i realized that not only i need a player that must support DSD but also a receiver that must accept DSD format.
now that i have already owned the nr1501 (with NO DSD support), is there any great difference in sound quality if i have a SACD player? in other words, should i invest in a SACD player or am i going to stuck with a normal CD player?
your advice is greatly appreciated.
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Post by Ernani71 December 9, 2010 (2 of 87)
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I switched to SACD about three months ago, and I am glad I did. Some SACDs sound better than others, so I suggest you explore many of them rather than just playing the one or two you already have. If you want a nice demonstration-quality SACD, I recommend this one:
Rimsky-Korsakov: Orchestral Suites - Pletnev
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Post by Zammo December 9, 2010 (3 of 87)
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Stick with CD's.
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Post by Ernani71 December 9, 2010 (4 of 87)
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Zammo, you are giving very bad advice.
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Post by Zammo December 9, 2010 (5 of 87)
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Ernani71 said:
Zammo, you are giving very bad advice.
Considering the OP was attempting to play the DSD layer of SACD's through an Xbox and entry level HT receiver (with 2 channel analogue inputs and from what I can garner no ability to handle DSD through HDMI), I think my advice is excellent. He will not see the benefits of SACD without a lot more research, and probable significant and expensive upgrade of his components (and I haven't even asked what's downstream of the receiver - 2 channel? surround? what speakers? room dimensions/treatments? etc. etc.).
So, I'll repeat. Stick with CD's through your xbox.
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Post by ghostie December 9, 2010 (6 of 87)
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Post by Zammo December 9, 2010 (7 of 87)
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ghostie said:
Thanks for your input.
my setup is really simple, a 3.1 setup.
The speakers are Mission MX series and the room dimension is approx. 6m by 6m.
The speaker distance to my sitting area is approx. 2.5m away.
The specs for NR1501 can be seen in:
http://www.marantz.com/new/index.cfm?fuseaction=Products.ProdSpecs&cont=eu&bus=hf&prod_id=3827&type=avr&series=comp
I am eyeing at OPPO BDP93 and would it have any difference in terms of sound quality if i am going for this player?
With your current receiver, you could use the oppo to output two channel analogue SACD (the receiver will not accept multi channel analogue), or alternatively have the oppo send PCM over HDMI to the receiver for 3.1 sound. You cannot bitstream the DSD signal, as the receiver will not decode DSD.
With the addition of an oppo BDP93 to your current setup, I don't think you will see any benefit in 2 channel SACD over standard CD, but you may prefer the sound of 3.1 SACD over CD.
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Post by DSD December 9, 2010 (8 of 87)
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Admittedly ghostie's stereo is entry-level, however there are benefits to SACD besides raw resolution. Wouldn't the smoother more comfortable sound of SACD over CD be even more important in cheap stereos?
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Post by Zammo December 9, 2010 (9 of 87)
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DSD said:
Admittedly ghostie's stereo is entry-level, however there are benefits to SACD besides raw resolution. Wouldn't the smoother more comfortable sound of SACD over CD be even more important in cheap stereos?
I'm not in the camp that denies any benefits of 2 channel SACD over CD, however I strongly believe that to realise those benefits in 2 channel, you need equipment from source to speakers that is up to the task.
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Post by rammiepie December 9, 2010 (10 of 87)
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Ghostie, welcome to SA~CDnet. The OPPO BDP~93 while not yet reviewed is an amazing upgrade from the previous model (the BDP~83) and it would benefit you if you used an HDMI cable to carry the picture and sound to your receiver (Perhaps you should consider a newer receiver that accepts the HDMI v 1.4 if you decide to go the full 3D TV route). The OPPO will sound better through HDMI than using analogue (or regular RCA cables). In the player's menu, you can output either DSD or PCM from SACD into your receiver so choose what sounds best to you.
And on a player like the OPPO, SACD will definitely sound better than regular cds as will soundtracks from Blu~Ray discs (a great choice of player, IMO).
Another word of advice, to play CDs on the OPPO, it is better to use a coaxial digital cable into your receiver as the CD playback through HDMI is NOT the best. The OPPO also decodes HDCD, as well.
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