Post by duchski January 20, 2009 (11 of 61)
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rammiepie said:
Congratulations and many thanks for your comprehensive research and annotations regarding the quadriphonic history of popular music. I DO own a lot of the SQ, QS and CD-4 discs mentioned and quite a few 4 channel reel-to-reels (some of which were later Dolby b encoded) but I never invested in the 8 track quads as they were noisy as hell. And the real shame is that they are languishing, forgotten, in the vaults and will probably never see the light of hi-rez remasters (although a few have appeared on DVD-A, SACD, and DTS encodings...but FEW is the operative word here.) I hate to say it, but BLU-RAY might be the salvation since a single Profile 3.0 disc could accomodate entire discographies and since almost ALL the studios are behind it, what better time than the present. Something is Better than Nothing! Again, your research was brilliant and brought back a LOT of memories. Many thanks!
rammiepie,
I wish I could take credit but it should go to Mark Anderson and the quadsquad folks: http://members.cox.net/surround/quaddisc/quadindx.htm
If you visit their site you can also find out about SQ/QS encoded RBCDs...
There are some out there, for instance Tomita's, from my experience Dolby PL does a good job decoding them.
And yes, I absolutely love the fact that now, either on SACD or DVD-A you can truly enjoy the original quad recordings. Too bad, there were only a few of them released. But if there are original tapes there is still hope.
As far as Blue Ray is concerned I still believe that SACD and DSD offers much better quality than BD spec high-res PCM.
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Post by wolf359 January 21, 2009 (12 of 61)
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duchski said:
And to be accurate some of the recordings have already been released on SACD with great success. My copy of DP's Machine Heas is one of my favorite SACD's and so are the classical Quad recordings of organ music. Not only they do not sound old or obsolete but it is simply unreal how far ahead was 1970's sound technology. It's great that quad recordings of Deep Purple, Aerosmith, Steely Dan, Blue Oyster Cult, Weather Report and many other bands have been released on SACD but there is so much more that should be preserved. The experts may criticize Quad for phase errors, bass management etc. but the quad recordings I heard and own on SACD are really worthy re-releasing as the two extra channels are a part of the experience that was intented. As a matter of, given SACD's superior channel separation and dynamic range, quad releases on SACDs may be our first opportunity to hear the classices the way they were intended to be heard.
I know I am preaching to the choir, aren't we all, but I hope our voices will be heard and more importanlty someone will realize this business opportunity.
It is good to know that there are many multichannels gems out there just wating to be (re) discovered.
Amazing !! No mention of multichannel Vinyl discs for ages (if at all). Then duchski starts this thread which echoes many of the sentiments found in the
earlier thread on the about fact that the Warner/Doobie Brs album may be coming out on SACD.That thread contains a very good description of how CD-4 quadradiscs work.Many of which are in the above list of records. there is an alternative website at http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/ which although not such a detailed list is easier to read ,and contains much background information to how we got where we are today which people may find intresting.
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Post by Peter January 21, 2009 (13 of 61)
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!S
I've heard that Pink Floyd: Atom heart mother and animals both are in quad.
But i guess that's hearsay( wishful thinking)
++++Runkeldunk++++
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Post by rammiepie January 21, 2009 (15 of 61)
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duchski said:
rammiepie,
I wish I could take credit but it should go to Mark Anderson and the quadsquad folks: http://members.cox.net/surround/quaddisc/quadindx.htm
If you visit their site you can also find out about SQ/QS encoded RBCDs...
There are some out there, for instance Tomita's, from my experience Dolby PL does a good job decoding them.
And yes, I absolutely love the fact that now, either on SACD or DVD-A you can truly enjoy the original quad recordings. Too bad, there were only a few of them released. But if there are original tapes there is still hope.
As far as Blue Ray is concerned I still believe that SACD and DSD offers much better quality than BD spec high-res PCM.
I, too, would much prefer the versatility of SACD releases but a lot of the items mentioned are the property of companies no longer releasing popular music in this format. RCA, Universal, SONY (Columbia) and EMI and WARNERS are releasing BLU-RAY discs and over the years control of some of the masters have reverted to the original artists. As far as the COMMAND and VANGUARD labels are concerned, I have NO idea who controls their masters (Vanguard had a brief foray into SACD and then changed ownership). I really hope some of the big-wigs at the record companies read this blog but even though hope springs eternal, none of the companies have had much success with multi-channel releases over the years. A true PITY!
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Post by callmez January 22, 2009 (16 of 61)
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Runkeldunk said:
I've heard that Pink Floyd: Atom heart mother and animals both are in quad.
But i guess that's hearsay( wishful thinking)
++++Runkeldunk++++
Atom Heart Mother
Wish You Were Here
and Dark Side of the Moon (of course)
Were all released in quad (and all are great!)
There are rumors about an Animals quad turning up, but it has never progressed beyond the rumor stage.
Mark Z
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Post by duchski January 25, 2009 (17 of 61)
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Unfrotunately it is all about politics and egos.... I bet there are quad master tapes out there but as it was with DSOTM the band may decide to do a new mch mix.
I am a big proponent of reissuing the original Quad mixes, created at the same time as the stereo material, often under close supervision of musicians. I do not mind the lack of the center channel of LFE. What I like is being able to listen to the original material the way it was intended to be heard.
Just by looking at the list above can you believe how many gems we could posses in our collections?
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Post by bzrmmax March 26, 2009 (18 of 61)
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Runkeldunk said:
!S
I've heard that Pink Floyd: Atom heart mother and animals both are in quad.
But i guess that's hearsay( wishful thinking)
++++Runkeldunk++++
I don't remember exactly whether I owned it or one of my friends did; but I'm 99.9% sure one of us had a UK copy of Atom Heart Mother in SQ Quad. I still own a UK SQ copy of DSOTM and I remember that the AHM front album cover had the same SQ symbol prominently displayed. Unfortunately, I never had a quad set-up so I didn't get to hear the LP in it's full glory. I'm also not a huge fan of the record, so I can't intelligently comment on the differences in the mix. The DSOTM quad mix (played back in stereo) is definitely very different in places to the stereo mix, but I haven't ever compared it to the SACD 5.1 mix. But now I'm curious...
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Post by wolf359 March 26, 2009 (19 of 61)
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bzrmmax said:
I don't remember exactly whether I owned it or one of my friends did; but I'm 99.9% sure one of us had a UK copy of Atom Heart Mother in SQ Quad. I still own a UK SQ copy of DSOTM and I remember that the AHM front album cover had the same SQ symbol prominently displayed. Unfortunately, I never had a quad set-up so I didn't get to hear the LP in it's full glory. I'm also not a huge fan of the record, so I can't intelligently comment on the differences in the mix. The DSOTM quad mix (played back in stereo) is definitely very different in places to the stereo mix, but I haven't ever compared it to the SACD 5.1 mix. But now I'm curious...
At the time I had Atom Heart Mother,Dark side of the Moon and Wish You Were Here all as SQ discs in addition I also had the Quad 8 track of DTSOM which had amazing separation. In comparison and with the ravages of time on my memory I think I would prefer the orginal mix over the the current 5.1 SACD mix but there is no way now I would do without the SACD. There is a bootleg DVDA which I have not heard doing the rounds this is another differing mix. I well remember waiting for Animals to come out and being crushed to find that it was not Quad on release, although at the time in the circles I moved in it was rumoured to be mixed mastered and ready to press for release but the demise of quad vinyl was well underway and it did'nt take place. It was this period of my life which started the multi channel addiction that I suffer from and delight in to this day!!!
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Post by tream March 27, 2009 (20 of 61)
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bzrmmax said:
I'm also not a huge fan of the record, so I can't intelligently comment on the differences in the mix.
At last! I thought I was the only one in the world who didn't like DSOTM!
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