Post by raffells August 21, 2006 (11 of 52)
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krisjan said:
Peter - I usually have a pretty long list of CD's I'm looking to buy. I REALLY don't want to add these - but now you have me thinking about it. UGH!
Mark
If you are going to be sooooooooo inconsistent and grumpy about sooooooo many issues with sacd I will have a suggestion for you...HUG..I dont really care....Lloyd may not be the ultimate composer in the history of music but then who is....At least he got down to writing something that ordinary mortals (Not super reveiewers ) think was worth listening to...I may add that I also think ...the Lyrita versions were better than the composers own Albany third rate ? orchestra versions...but does it matter....I for one didnt realize we were so elitist on this sacd forum..maybe I thought that Super audio cd was a Sony / Philips patented name for a technical process..Must have been wrong!...Lets have more organ sacds and another Mahler cyle...better still more S.............or B.............Oh never mind ..... D
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Post by Edvin August 21, 2006 (12 of 52)
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Good evening Dave. Didn´t like the music on rbcd, so why should I like it on sacd?
"Lloyd may not be the ultimate composer in the history of music but then who is...."
Well, there are a few. And there are a few who are far more worthy of sacd-treatment than Lloyd, where shall I start? Janacek, Hindemith, Berg...nah, can´t be bothered. Cheers mate.
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Post by krisjan August 21, 2006 (13 of 52)
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Edvin - Lloyd's a second rate composer for sure. Not sure I'd agree third-rate but that may just be semantic. If you haven't heard the 5th symphony, I think it is his best. You should at least hear that one before you dismiss him entirely. Then again, maybe you have heard that one. I rnjoy his symphonic idiom and I'm one who likes to variety afforded by many of the second rank composers. I'd rather listen to Lloyds symphonies than, say, six different performances of the Brahms 4, e.g. BTW - I love Brahms so that is not meant to disparage him.
Mark
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Post by Edvin August 21, 2006 (14 of 52)
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I was a bit harsh. The fifth has some nice tunes and ideas. But the music wanders off. But I dislike all composers who are looking back rather than forward. For me that is not the way art is to be taken, even if it is pleasant. But then, the role of art is not to be pleasant.
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What a load of pretentious claptrap! Are you honestly saying that the role of 'art' (whatever that means!) is to be unpleasant? The fact that so much modern serious music is an unpleasant listening experience might account for why it is so shunned by the popular majority. Of course the elitist 'musical establishment prefers it that way... For years Lloyd suffered from the narrow blinkered view of these individuals - the late (Sir) William Glock for instance of BBC Radio 3- to his everlasting shame.... The fact that Lloyd could and did write some glorious tunes effectively did for him with these people. "Is that a tune I hear? How nasty and common...." Beecham was once asked if he had ever played any Schoenberg. To which he replied "No, but I think I may have trodden in some once..."
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Post by Peter November 13, 2006 (16 of 52)
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saffron200 said:
... For years Lloyd suffered from the narrow blinkered view of these individuals - the late (Sir) William Glock for instance of BBC Radio 3- to his everlasting shame.... The fact that Lloyd could and did write some glorious tunes effectively did for him with these people. "Is that a tune I hear? How nasty and common...."
Strangely enough, it's Lloyd week on BBC radio 3!
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Post by wehecht November 13, 2006 (17 of 52)
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All of the Albany reissues have been significant improvements on the rbcd originals, but the latest, of Symphonies 1 and 12, is the best yet in sonic terms. It may also be more musically pleasing to those who think that Lloyd tends to meander, which even those of us who love his music might admit is true of the last movement of several of the symphonies. If Albany would turn its attention to SACD reissues of the piano and violin concertos they would also serve to correct the false impression that Mr. Lloyd simply strung together a series of attractive tunes and never knew when it was time to stop. Finally, I have written to Albany, and hope other Lloyd lovers will as well, to urge the reissue of the Symphonic Mass, surely the composer's greatest work, and the one that would most benefit from the salutary effects of remastering for SACD.
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Post by Edvin November 13, 2006 (18 of 52)
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saffron200 said:
Are you honestly saying that the role of 'art' (whatever that means!) is to be unpleasant?
Not unpleasant, but challenging. Innovative. Schoenberg wrote loads of tunes by the way.
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Edvin said:
Not unpleasant, but challenging. Innovative. Schoenberg wrote loads of tunes by the way.
I have resisted any impulse to purchase the Albany Lloyd discs because I have a few of the symphonies on Lyrita LPs. I doubt I listened to any of them more than twice. Considered it a poor investment! That music was in no way challenging, rather than innovative, it seemed stale.
Schoenberg on the other hand (for me) is always challenging, always interesting if not always entirely pleasant. Because of what I termed staleness, George Lloyd never seemed pleasant. Dvorak is pleasant. Vaughn Williams is pleasant, they like Schoenberg, are always fresh.
On the other hand I certainly do not want to be misconstrued as wanting to deny those who find something worthwhile in George Lloyd's music, the pleasure of that experience. I was interested in this little dialog though, precisely because I never found Lloyd to be worth the time devoted to listening, and I wondered how Edvin would respond to Saffron's comments
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Post by Peter November 13, 2006 (20 of 52)
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Bruce, it's a matter of taste again. I'm a Lloyd fan and find his music anything but stale; rather, positive, upbeat, therapeutic...and so on. I think he's an excellent second-rate composer! I'm sure we won't fall out over this :-)
And I would say I agree with wehecht that the SACD replacements really do show an improvement over the original issues, so I guess I'll have to buy them all all over again.
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