Post by Ear March 2, 2006 (11 of 53)
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If I may humbly add, I think the slamming comes from the feeling of being left behind. MP3 is being hyped as such a great new format for the future, a lot of people do not buy CD's anymore and the other end, the audiophile sector is little in the public. MP3 is great in my oppinion to take music along with you. And to listen to music like you listen to radion in the backround. I have heard "experts" who say that MP3 is not worse then CD and therefor the CD is not needed anymore(short version) And Vinyl is just a feeling and nothing you can measure. Well they obviously have not bothered to listen to a decent turntable befor. Anyhow, what there are classic labels who go for download but not for SACD. A perversion in my oppinion. Hence the slamming of the lables and the format. I am not trying to justify, I just want to offer a way of understanding those reactions.
I hope I could be of help. If I am mistaken, well, I then I am sorry :-)
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Post by Peter March 2, 2006 (12 of 53)
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brenda said:
if people can't hear the difference listening to ipods, as you claim, then what's the crime? That does not mean that they don't care about what you refer to as "good quality" music at all. I am sure there are many people who would have difficulty lugging their tower speakers and other hardware areound on a country walk or a long coach ride. Why all this slamming off at MP3 on this site - it's a different format for different purposes. I love my ipod for its delivery of fine music on demand and on the go. I love my SACD player for delivering fine music with top class sound in my home. They aren't mutually exclusive and neither need be looked down on or knocked by anyone who puts music first. And if "all" people want quantity and portability zenbret (as you claim), then how do you explain the existence of this site and classicstoday and other sites catering to love of both music and audiophile sound. Cut the specious and unhelpful generalisations, and the insults to our intelligence, including remarks like MP3 bullshit, and develop some analytical and critical skills and a perception of the world in which you are not the only customer.
Hello Brenda, Sorry to go off thread, but.....and I know I'll get my knuckles rapped for my non-SACD question.....
I have a Sony mp3 (NW-HD5) player which is supposed to be very good, but I find it useful only for listening to spoken word (Round the Horne, Paul Temple and co, so you'll know I'm ancient). Perhaps better headphones would improve matters? I have upgraded to £30 in ear Sony ones with a little improvement, but still find music listening unsatisfactory. I may be going off for a month and would like to take some music with me. What player and, particularly, headphones do you use?
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Post by brenda March 3, 2006 (13 of 53)
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Peter said: What player and, particularly, headphones do you use?
Hi peter, I use an Archos Gmini 200 (20 Gb hard-drive) player but the ear/headphones are critical so I lashed out on a pair of Shure E2c earphones. Before that I'd tried two good Sony sets, archos' own and a good qual philips plus a pair of light and comfy Sennheiser headphones.
The Shures retail at about £75 but I got mine via the net for £50 incl post. The sound is amazing, given the inherent limitations of the format. The only drag is the top-of-the ear position the cord is supposed to take, - i found it a bit irritating and the ar lugs arent quite as secure used front-on, but I've adjusted, - because the sound is so good its worth getting the positioning right. There are other Shure's in the range, but they go up to well over £200 and that's a lot of SACDs even if i had the £. If you got a pair of e2c then i guarantee you wouldnt be disappointed by the sound.-
The archos player suits me perfectly. At 20 Gb I can take a good mini-collection to choose from wherever i go (usually of relatively unfamiliar music I want to get to know better). Its very small and light, navigation is extremely easy, drag and drop is all you need for file transfer and as a bonus, with 20Gb, I always keep some space free for important documents/files I may need when i'm working away from home. The Gmini retails for about £140 (its got cheaper as archos have gone for multimedia players) but you could prob. get one secondhand on ebay for about £80 incl post.
By the way, another great use is to play all those cds (now converted to mp3) i just dont play anymnore at home cos i'd rather listen to SACD.
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Post by Peter March 3, 2006 (14 of 53)
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brenda said:
Hi peter, I use an Archos Gmini 200 (20 Gb hard-drive) player but the ear/headphones are critical so I lashed out on a pair of Shure E2c earphones. Before that I'd tried two good Sony sets, archos' own and a good qual philips plus a pair of light and comfy Sennheiser headphones.
The Shures retail at about £75 but I got mine via the net for £50 incl post. The sound is amazing, given the inherent limitations of the format. The only drag is the top-of-the ear position the cord is supposed to take, - i found it a bit irritating and the ar lugs arent quite as secure used front-on, but I've adjusted, - because the sound is so good its worth getting the positioning right. There are other Shure's in the range, but they go up to well over £200 and that's a lot of SACDs even if i had the £. If you got a pair of e2c then i guarantee you wouldnt be disappointed by the sound.-
The archos player suits me perfectly. At 20 Gb I can take a good mini-collection to choose from wherever i go (usually of relatively unfamiliar music I want to get to know better). Its very small and light, navigation is extremely easy, drag and drop is all you need for file transfer and as a bonus, with 20Gb, I always keep some space free for important documents/files I may need when i'm working away from home. The Gmini retails for about £140 (its got cheaper as archos have gone for multimedia players) but you could prob. get one secondhand on ebay for about £80 incl post.
By the way, another great use is to play all those cds (now converted to mp3) i just dont play anymnore at home cos i'd rather listen to SACD.
Hello Brenda
Many thanks for your info. You know, I thought you must have Shures, and it is nice to hear from someone who enjoys good sound and who has a pair. There's a very good review of the very expensive ones on audaud.com! Since I've got the player, it would be good to have the chance of even acceptable sound quality for music, as 75 hours of Kenneth Horne isn't a varied enough diet! Thanks again. Peter
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Post by zenbret March 3, 2006 (15 of 53)
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Brenda, No insult meant for someone who prefers portability. Why do you take it personally that I do not like MP3? That does not mean one such as yourself can not hear the difference on a big static system. I slam the inertia of obsolete and even further compacted music files at the expense of better sounding new technology. We should be able to download( something I don't do) or buy anything in 24 bit 192K PCM or SACD format for the same price. When I tell my prefered artists that I do not like to listen to CD's and do not want to buy anymore, they tell me there is no market for anything else. People are limiting themselves, and thus me. You could have something better for the same price, if enough people caught on. Also, sometimes I like to listen to the world on a walk, and feel my body. If I enjoyed music while I walked, then I probably would buy an ipod. too. Peace & Love. Bret.
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Post by brenda March 3, 2006 (16 of 53)
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zenbret said: Why do you take it personally that I do not like MP3?
dear z, thanks for your post. To answer your q. of why "take it personally", perhaps it's because of phrases like "no one can hear the difference when they are listening to ipods with MP3 bullshit" and "few people care about good quality music, they all want quantity and portability". They dont exactly express just a dislike of MP3 but the view that people dont know the difference between formats - which is just not true. People know the difference but have different needs. MP3 isnt "bullshit", just a different format which has no pretensions of high definition audio. To state that people don't care about quality music (the inference being, MP3 listeners, is just silly. There HAS to be room for more than one format of music because anything that makes it easier to get acquainted with classical music (my bag) is great as far as I'm concerned. The music is what its all about and as long as more music is on cd and mp3 than is on sacd, then no one should have to apologise for availing themselves of it. Accessing another fomat does not mean lack of appreciation of sound quality (which is what i presume you mean) - I buy SACD for audiophile sound, and use MP3 for rare repertoire not available on SACD and for portability. That you dont like it is fine, i have no problem with that, but to talk about others as not being ABLE to hear sound quality difference, about "bullshit" formats and not caring about good quality music (not sure what that is) is just unecessary and unhelpful. Peace and love, and let a thousand media bloom.
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Post by raffells March 3, 2006 (17 of 53)
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brenda said:
Peace and love, and let a thousand media bloom.
Brenda
You are a Star but Surely you cant be Sirrius...Dave
and I ll stop calling you Surely...
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Post by brenda March 4, 2006 (18 of 53)
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raffells said:
Brenda
You are a Star but Surely you cant be Sirrius...Dave
and I ll stop calling you Surely...
always dave, always, except.........
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Goodwood said:
http://www.highfidelityreview.com/news/news.asp?newsnumber=16020478
I used to own "On the Threshold of a Dream" a very long time ago and don't recall it doing much for me.
What are other peoples views on MB music? Worth a listen?
Right now I'm grateful to see anything. Maybe Steely Dan and Genesis releases really are coming?
Personally, I believe that " On the Threshold of a Dream" was one of the Moody Blues best almbuns. From cut 9 (Are You Sitting Comfortably) continuing through to cut 13 (Have You Heard?) has got to be the best time spent listening to any music. Just listening to "The Dream" was a fantastic experience. Graeme Edge's voice/lyrics was/is still incredible
I used to listen to the LP, then CD with all of the lights off, totally emersed in sound. I'm looking foreward to this releas to do the same with the SACD version of this album. If SACD can do to this album what it did to "Dark Side of the Moon", I'll be "VERY" satisfied.
I have been waiting a long time to get into the SACD/DVD-A arena and am glad I finally entered it.
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Post by yesman March 16, 2006 (20 of 53)
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Goodwood said:
http://www.highfidelityreview.com/news/news.asp?newsnumber=16020478
I used to own "On the Threshold of a Dream" a very long time ago and don't recall it doing much for me.
What are other peoples views on MB music? Worth a listen?
Right now I'm grateful to see anything. Maybe Steely Dan and Genesis releases really are coming?
I own all the original 7 Moddies albums from vinyl to MFSL Gold Cds and as of recent times, the mini-LP format as well. I am DEFINITELY looking forward to these newly remastered versions. Hey, I'm a Moodies fan from way back when and the music never gets tiring or old. To get the chance to listen in the quaad state of mind as these were intended will be my audio dream come true. I have already ordered 4 of them and will get the other three ASAP!My fave is probably In Search Of The Lost Chord with CHildren's Children a close second.
All these are worth owning and listening to time and time again.......
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