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How large is the current sellection of multi-channel SACD's and what to you anticipate in the future?
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Post by rammiepie November 25, 2013 (2 of 18)
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hifimonkey said:
How large is the current sellection of multi-channel SACD's and what to you anticipate in the future?
First and foremost, Chris.....welcome to SA.CD.net. Notice that this is your first post.
I'm sure an exact figure exists (roughly 11,000+ SACDs have been published since the format's inception), but sadly, a large number are out of print (OOP) and then there are some that are labeled as stereo which are actually multichannel and vice versa.
If it was up to the Japanese, almost all of their output is now stereo (with of course exceptions) and they are also trending toward single layer stereo (no cd nor multichannel layer).
In classical, BIS, Chandos, Pentatone, 2L, Alba, Channel and many others continue to release original recordings in multichannel.
In Popular/Rock/Jazz, specialty labels like Mobile Fidelity, Analogue Productions, Audio Fidelity and now ORG Music release in stereo...and even MONO (again, with rare exceptions for multichannel).
Hope this helps.
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Thanks - Glad to be a member.
When you say 11,000, do you mean those are Titles in multi channel?
And it sounds like multi channel is on the outs (or already is out..) Correct?
Thanks,
Chris
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Post by Fugue November 27, 2013 (4 of 18)
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hifimonkey said:
And it sounds like multi channel is on the outs (or already is out..) Correct?
Mostly in Japan.
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hifimonkey said:
And it sounds like multi channel is on the outs (or already is out..) Correct?
The main companies (there are a lot) still producing SACDs (eg: Pentatone, BIS, Channel etc) which are mostly classical still record in multi-channel and produce SACDs to match. The companies which re-issue pop/rock material, re-mastered from stereo masters generally make stereo SACDs - and, yes, the Japanese seem to be happy with stereo for now. You will soon realise that there is a hot debate about the merits or otherwise of multi channel - many still prefer stereo. The advantage of SACD is that it can carry a mch version as well as a stereo version (not to mention a normal CD version). After a long time in the stereo camp I invested in mch and love it. For me it is the same as progressing from mono to stereo all those years ago. Virtually all films are produced with a surround soundtrack so it seems to follow that music recordings should do the same. Which is where the launch of blu-ray audio has been such a big disappointment. But that's another story! Meanwhile enjoy what you can on SACD!
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Actually, the Japanese did try Mch and found they did not want it.
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samayoeruorandajin said:
Actually, the Japanese did try Mch and found they did not want it.
So, are you saying that all of the Mch AVRs, prepros and players they produce are purely for export to unenlightened foreigners?
The truth is that Mch is not big anywhere for music. But, it is extremely important to SACD both now and in the future, as it has many strong adherents who believe it is is capable of producing much more true to life musical sonics than stereo. That would include me. Mch devotees are key contributors to the market for SACDs. It strikes me that Mch is now much more widely embraced by growing numbers of posters here in this forum than it was in the past. Almost all of the critics of Mch sound, both here and elsewhere, have never actually heard it in a properly set up system, whereas any Mch system is also capable of stereo playback. So, arguments about its merits or lack thereof are rather stupid and pointless, given that the detractors are generally totally unfamiliar with it.
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Post by rammiepie November 27, 2013 (8 of 18)
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Fitzcaraldo215 said:
So, are you saying that all of the Mch AVRs, prepros and players they produce are purely for export to unenlightened foreigners?
No, YOU said it Fitz.
Let's not be so egocentric as to assume that SACD mch is the only purpose for exporting these mch pre/pros and players.
Every cable/satellite company and even off the air broadcasts are streamed in multichannel as are 95% of all BD~Vs and DVDs.
And, no, not everyone who has a BD/DVD player necessarily utilizes multichannel playback. But it's probably more cost efficient (and prudent) to produce these mch pre/pros for world wide sales.
And not only do the Japanese now embrace stereo for SACD but in case you haven't noticed so do American companies AP, MoFi, AF and ORG Records....and even Universal's BD~A launch got off to a bumpy start by eliminating mch from most titles (some, even, which previously enjoyed a mch SACD release).
And you know full well that I'm a mch fanatic but not only is mch a niche market but classical mch SACD is a niche within a niche!
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Post by Lute November 27, 2013 (9 of 18)
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Fugue said:
Mostly in Japan.
I am also a multichannel aficionado.
BUT... It seems that MANY (possibly MOST of the) users on this site prefer stereo SACD. Did I miss something??
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rammiepie said:
And not only do the Japanese now embrace stereo for SACD but in case you haven't noticed so do American companies AP, MoFi, AF and ORG Records....and even Universal's BD~A launch got off to a bumpy start by eliminating mch from most titles (some, even, which previously enjoyed a mch SACD release).
And how many of these are actually new recordings and not retreads.... um..remasterings of old recordings?
I am not disputing the niche within a niche reference but most non-classical record companies seem to be looking for an easy kill.
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