Post by tiggers November 12, 2012 (11 of 59)
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Because it's so cheap to add/leave in CD compatibility?
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Post by Iain November 12, 2012 (12 of 59)
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hiredfox said:
There is a close to zero chance of such an animal being spotted in the wild. Even if there were obvious sonic advantages to the exclusion of the CD circuitry (doubtful) or cost benefits (doubtful) it probably is far too late. Universality is the only game in town
SACD only discs make far more sense to me especially as the market for physical CD disc declines.
Don't actually care of physical CD support as long as player has support for my favourite internet A/V channels. (i.e. last.fm, Spotify, BP Digital Concert Hall, ...etc.)
....and SA-CD, of course.
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Post by Claude November 12, 2012 (13 of 59)
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hiredfox said:
SACD only discs make far more sense to me especially as the market for physical CD disc declines.
CD is dead, SACD is alive, or what?
I think the decline of SACD demand compared to hi-rez downloads (HDtracks, etc) is much faster than the decline of CD demand compared to downloads in general.
CD is still the dominating format on the music market. It will take years until artists/labels can afford to get rid of CDs. If they release a SACD, it makes sense to make it a hybrid SACD (single inventory release)
An album being released as a single layer SACD and a download only (no CD) is very unlikely. Can you name one available today?
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Claude said:
CD is still the dominating format on the music market.
I don't think it's true.
Just look at the CD sales trend, the format is fatally doomed.
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While the CD market is in decline, it is still a huge market and it helps support the SACD market by providing a much greater variety than SACD on optical disk. What appeal would an SACD-only player have? None is the likely answer.
I would not predict that the download market for MP3's will in any way support a market for high resolution flacs or other download files, because the size of the downloads and storage requirements are so much greater than for MP3's. In addition, much of the MP3 (and related file types) market is used for pop music in fashion and the files are erased when the music goes out of fashion. Intuitively, the market for high resolution files is entirely different with an emphasis on permanence. It is highly doubtful that the MP3 market will encourage the market for high resolution files.
There is, of course, the new market for multichannel audio offerings on bluray. The limited market for SACD's probably means that there is a similarly limited market for the audio blurays. If the audio bluray market cannibalizes the SACD market, both will suffer.
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Post by Claude November 12, 2012 (16 of 59)
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audioholik said:
I don't think it's true.
Just look at the CD sales trend, the format is fatally doomed.
Yes, but there is a difference between a sales trend and sales figures.
If Bill Gates loses half his fortune and you double yours, he's still richer than you.
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Claude said:
Yes, but there is a difference between a sales trend and sales figures.
If Bill Gates loses half his fortune and you double yours, he's still richer than you.
If Bill Gates loses half his fortune it just shows that he either lost his business skills or relevance on the market.
CD is on the way out.....
BTW here's an interesting comparison of entry Chord QuteHD (192-DSD) DAC and $30000 stand-alone CD player. It seems that the separation of the CD playback didn't help the mysterious CD-only company :))
"Next, we shifted our seats 90° to listen to a smaller system that included a big name $30,000 CD player (whose provenance I shall shield to protect the hardly innocent), Chord's QuteHD DAC ($1800) and CPM 3350 integrated amplifier ($14,000), Peak Consult Empress loudspeakers ($35,000/pair), and an assortment of Kubala-Sosna cables. First we listened to the stand-alone CD player, then the player was used as a transport feeding data the QuteHD DAC, Neil Young doing the honors. The entry-level Chord QuteHD DAC trumped the competition. Instead of the edgy vocals and thin-sounding, one-dimensional presentation rendered by the five-figure CD player, the QuteHD DAC delivered a far more appealing, richer presentation in which edge was replaced by body and substantial color."
http://www.stereophile.com/content/chord-launches-dsx1000-network-player
^some food for thought for everyone planning to invest $30000 in the outdated and dying CD technology.
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Claude said:
Yes, but there is a difference between a sales trend and sales figures.
If Bill Gates loses half his fortune and you double yours, he's still richer than you.
+1
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Post by rammiepie November 12, 2012 (19 of 59)
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Maybe I'm a purist snob, but I NEVER use my DVD~A player (Meridian 800) nor OPPO BDP~93 nor Marantz (SA112S) SACD capable players for RBCD playback........I use the SooLoos and the Meridian 808 for RBCD playback.
I would welcome an SACD only player but I would also want multichannel capabilities, as well.
But as all previous posters have acknowledged, the likelihood of this occurring is like another category 1 hurricane hitting the tri state area (New York, New Jersey and Connecticut) in the month of December.
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Post by canonical November 12, 2012 (20 of 59)
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audioholik said:
CD is on the way out.....
So too is the sun and planet earth ...
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