Post by talli October 3, 2005 (1 of 18)
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I have bought "Light of the Spirit" of the label Collegium and unfortunately i have discovered that don't have stereo layer. The stereo layer is only RBCD.
The problem is that my SACD player is two channels only...
ciao
Corrado
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Post by Claude October 3, 2005 (2 of 18)
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There are a dozen or so titles on the market that have no hi-rez stereo layer.
On this site they are usually indicated as "Multichannel" in the Content field of the description, as opposed to "Stereo/Multichannel" for a true multichannel disc that conforms to the SACD standard.
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Post by talli October 3, 2005 (3 of 18)
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Claude said:
There are a dozen or so titles on the market that have no hi-rez stereo layer.
On this site they are usually indicated as "Multichannel" in the Content field of the description, as opposed to "Stereo/Multichannel" for a true multichannel disc that conforms to the SACD standard.
I know it, but, for example, "Sea Change" too is without stereo layer but in this site is indicated as "multichannel".
ciao
Corrado
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Post by DSD October 3, 2005 (4 of 18)
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talli said:
I have bought "Light of the Spirit" of the label Collegium and unfortunately i have discovered that don't have stereo layer. The stereo layer is only RBCD.
The problem is that my SACD player is two channels only...
ciao
Corrado
I also own a 2 channel SACD player and cannot access the Multi-channel DSD program either. I have yet to receive an SACD without a high resolution Stereo DSD program but I usually look here before ordering. If I ever get one I will be returning it as DEFECTIVE BECAUSE IT IS MISSING THE STEREO HIGH RESOLUTION PROGRAM. Any SACD that does not contain a 2 channel high resolution is defective and should be taken off the market. We have to stand up for our rights. Two-channel audiophiles built this format and we must insure that we are not abandoned.
I prefer 2-channel stereo to Multi-channel as many others do so I believe we do have power!
Teresa
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Post by zeus October 3, 2005 (5 of 18)
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DSD said:
If I ever get one I will be returning it as DEFECTIVE BECAUSE IT IS MISSING THE STEREO HIGH RESOLUTION PROGRAM. Any SACD that does not contain a 2 channel high resolution is defective and should be taken off the market. We have to stand up for our rights.
I don't think there's anything in the SA-CD 1.x specs that mandates inclusion of a stereo high-resolution signal, despite continual claims to the contrary. Given that manufacturers are still making stereo-only SA-CD players, release of SA-CDs without a stereo signal is dumb ... but the discs aren't (strictly speaking) defective. Any such discs that I'm aware of will be marked here as "Multichannel" (rather than "Stereo/Multichannel") so all you need to do is check before you buy.
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Post by Edvin October 3, 2005 (6 of 18)
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DSD said:
I also own a 2 channel SACD player and cannot access the Multi-channel DSD program either. I have yet to receive an SACD without a high resolution Stereo DSD program but I usually look here before ordering. If I ever get one I will be returning it as DEFECTIVE BECAUSE IT IS MISSING THE STEREO HIGH RESOLUTION PROGRAM. Any SACD that does not contain a 2 channel high resolution is defective and should be taken off the market. We have to stand up for our rights. Two-channel audiophiles built this format and we must insure that we are not abandoned.
I prefer 2-channel stereo to Multi-channel as many others do so I believe we do have power!
Teresa
Dear Teresa,
how can you decide what is a SACD and a really well remastered CD if you are only listening to stereo?
Regards,
Edvin
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Post by DSD October 3, 2005 (7 of 18)
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Edvin said:
Dear Teresa,
how can you decide what is a SACD and a really well remastered CD if you are only listening to stereo?
Regards,
Edvin
Easy by how poorly the music sounds. I abhor the sound of CD and I have heard some well mastered ones, Reference Recordings, Telarc, Mapleshade, MFSL, etc. For me the problem with 44.1kHz CD is the stringent sound of strings with shrill upper midrange and rolled off high frequencies. CD makes my head hurt and my skin crawl.
My first SACD player would sometimes play the CD layer by mistake. Within the first two minutes I always know something is wrong, as the sound is crummy. The first few times I checked to see if the speakers had moved (they had not) or if the "high filter" was somehow on (it was not) then I checked the SACD player and the SACD light was NOT on. I reloaded the SACD and it played the SACD layer and everything was great again.
So now if the music sounds Wrong, I look to see if the SACD light is on!
What I like about 2 channel SACD from DSD or Analog masters is that it SOUNDS LIKE AN ANALOG FORMAT without the fuss!
Here is what sounds the best to me in 2 channel Stereo
1. Reel time duplicated 2 Track 15ips Analog Pre-recorded 1.5 mill Reel to Reel tapes from Sound Ideas, Mark Levinson and Ambisonic.
2. 200 Gram 45 RPM LPs especially from Classic Records.
3. 180 to 200 Gram 33 1/3 RPM Audiophile LPs.
4. SACDs from DSD Mastertapes
5. SACDs from high quality Analog Mastertapes.
6. DVD-Audios from 192kHz PCM Masters
7. SACDs from 192kHz PCM Masters
8. DVD Audios from 96kHz PCM Masters
9. SACDs from 96kHz PCM Masters
10. Slow speed duplicated 4 Track 7 1/2 ips Reel to Reel tapes from Barclay-Crocker.
11. High Fidelity CrO2 cassettes from In Sync Labs, Aesthetic Audio, MFSL and others.
12. Regular Analog LPs from major labels
13. SACDs from 48kHz PCM Masters
14. DVD-Audios from 48kHz PCM Masters
15. Regular pre-recorded cassettes from major labels.
Happy listening,
Teresa
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Post by DSD October 3, 2005 (8 of 18)
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zeus said:
I don't think there's anything in the SA-CD 1.x specs that mandates inclusion of a stereo high-resolution signal, despite continual claims to the contrary. Given that manufacturers are still making stereo-only SA-CD players, release of SA-CDs without a stereo signal is dumb ... but the discs aren't (strictly speaking) defective. Any such discs that I'm aware of will be marked here as "Multichannel" (rather than "Stereo/Multichannel") so all you need to do is check before you buy.
Stephen I really do appreciate you letting us know which SACDs DO NOT have a high resolution Stereo layer and I do always check here first. I believe it was a loophole in the SACD specs as it says "2 channel high resolution layer is highly recommended" which means it could be left off. So that leaves it up to us consumers to make sure it is NOT left off.
Happy listening,
Teresa
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Post by seth October 3, 2005 (9 of 18)
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zeus said:
I don't think there's anything in the SA-CD 1.x specs that mandates inclusion of a stereo high-resolution signal, despite continual claims to the contrary.
Huh. I was always under the impression that Sony and Philips decreed that for a SACD to be called a SACD, it had to at least have a stereo SACD layer. The intention was to make sure that no matter what SACDs consumers purchased, the only new piece of hardware they'd have to buy was a SACD player.
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Post by Jonty October 4, 2005 (10 of 18)
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talli said:
I know it, but, for example, "Sea Change" too is without stereo layer but in this site is indicated as "multichannel".
ciao
Corrado
My machine is stereo only but does indicate if DSD is being decoded. With "Sea Chnage" I am getting the DSD decode light so I have assumed that it does have a hi-rez stereo layer.Most odd.
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