Post by Aleph August 26, 2005 (1 of 16)
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I must say that I'm not a pop music afficionado... I don't have a single Rolling Stones track at my house, but I've just got an email from AcousticSounds with something that really look scary regarding the prospects of SACD's survival.
According to their message:
"We've got official word that THE ROLLING STONES Abkco SACDs are going out of print. There'll be no more manufactured. As of now, these titles are officially OUT OF PRINT: ... "
So is this as serious as I think?
Just something to worry about...
LG.
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Post by viktor August 26, 2005 (2 of 16)
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Aleph said:
I must say that I'm not a pop music afficionado... I don't have a single Rolling Stones track at my house, but I've just got an email from AcousticSounds with something that really look scary regarding the prospects of SACD's survival.
According to their message:
"We've got official word that THE ROLLING STONES Abkco SACDs are going out of print. There'll be no more manufactured. As of now, these titles are officially OUT OF PRINT: ... "
So is this as serious as I think?
Just something to worry about...
LG.
It´s sad. I´ve got some of the Stones SACD´s. They were so badly recorded in the first place - I´m glad that The Beatles were turned down by Decca. The only chance to listen to The Beatles in 5.1 is if you buy the Anthology on DVD, a wonderful experience. But of course this is a sign of dreadful times. People didn´t buy these Rolling Stones albums on SACD, nor are the Dylan a success. It´s a sad sad situation.........
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Post by bmoura August 26, 2005 (3 of 16)
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viktor said:
People didn´t buy these Rolling Stones albums on SACD, nor are the Dylan a success. It´s a sad sad situation.........
I wouldn't go that far. After all, the Dylan SACDs moved over 700,000 copies shortly after release and the Stones SACDs sales topped 2.2 Million copies through May 2004.
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Post by vonwegen August 27, 2005 (4 of 16)
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bmoura said:
I wouldn't go that far. After all, the Dylan SACDs moved over 700,000 copies shortly after release and the Stones SACDs sales topped 2.2 Million copies through May 2004.
I agree--ask yourself how many re-issued Decca-era Stones redbook CDs would have been sold if there had been no SACD layer to attract people? I guarantee I wouldn't have forked over anything. Ditto for the Dylan re-issues: I have absolutely no interest in the non-SACD remasters of his first Lp and "The Times Are A'Changin".
It would be _very_ interesting to know how many units of the aforementioned re-issued Dylan (non-SACD) CDs have been sold. Not 700,000 surely!
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Post by raffells August 27, 2005 (5 of 16)
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Aleph said:
I must say that I'm not a pop music afficionado... I don't have a single Rolling Stones track at my house, but I've just got an email from AcousticSounds with something that really look scary regarding the prospects of SACD's survival.
According to their message:
"We've got official word that THE ROLLING STONES Abkco SACDs are going out of print. There'll be no more manufactured. As of now, these titles are officially OUT OF PRINT: ... "
So is this as serious as I think?
Just something to worry about...
LG.
If you are panicking over this then you have a problem.....ALL CDs go out of print at some point in time....!!!!! otherwise the pressing plants would not have time to do NEW ITEMS....I would much rather have the Pressing Plants free to do the new items but not as badly as some of those mentioned items.....If people buy sacds and these firms make money out of it then ,they will continute to make sacds.....If it makes you feel better, I would suggest you click on "labels" tab and see how many firms marketing sacds there are...
Also note,that going OOP is a nice marketing ploy......increases sales and reduces stocks........Dave
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Post by Claude August 27, 2005 (6 of 16)
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vonwegen said:
I agree--ask yourself how many re-issued Decca-era Stones redbook CDs would have been sold if there had been no SACD layer to attract people? I guarantee I wouldn't have forked over anything. Ditto for the Dylan re-issues: I have absolutely no interest in the non-SACD remasters of his first Lp and "The Times Are A'Changin".
It would be _very_ interesting to know how many units of the aforementioned re-issued Dylan (non-SACD) CDs have been sold. Not 700,000 surely!
Most people bought these hybrid SACDs because they were remastered reissues. The SACD factor was only interesting for the small fraction of SACD equiment owners. Just check the discussions on stevehoffman.tv to see that the main discussion is on the remastering of these albums.
It is the same with the Dylan reissues. If the CDs had been reissued first, the fans would not have waited for the hybrid SACDs. Of course now most people have already bought the SACDs and the CDs that replace them are not nearly as successful. But don't take it as a proof that people want SACDs.
Norah Jones first album was released on SACD after the CD and it sold so poorly that Blue Note abandonned all further SACD plans. If it had been released as a single inventory hybrid SACD in the first place it would have been the big seller that we know from the CD release. It's all about the timing, not the attraction of the new technology. Many buyers of the Rolling Stones and Bob Dylan reissues don't even know they have SACDs.
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Post by viktor August 27, 2005 (7 of 16)
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A friend of mine is a member of a Bob Dylan society and I had the opportunity to visit the society some time ago. I asked the members how many of them had bought the hybrid SACD´s. All of them had. So, how many plays the SACD track? Not one. All they were interested in was the remastering. So my next question was, of course, why? No satisfactory answers were given, other than most people haven´t got a clue what an SACD is.
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viktor said:
A friend of mine is a member of a Bob Dylan society and I had the opportunity to visit the society some time ago. I asked the members how many of them had bought the hybrid SACD´s. All of them had. So, how many plays the SACD track? Not one. All they were interested in was the remastering. So my next question was, of course, why? No satisfactory answers were given, other than most people haven´t got a clue what an SACD is.
Very sad, of course--but it does validate the notion of single inventory which probably would have given the format a decided sales boost. And which cave--Platonic or otherwise--do these good folk inhabit?
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Post by Myrantz August 27, 2005 (9 of 16)
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I saw the 'Stones' SACD advert from Acoustic Sounds. It did not surprise me. People just do not know anything about the hi-res formats and I blame the record companies, the record store owners, and the component manufacturers. The marketing of SACD and DVD-A is non existent. The education seems non existent. I went into an audio shop to compare a new model universal player to my existing one that I purchased from the same shop over a year prior. The new one was connected only by the Denon-link to the latest receiver and no offer was made to insert cables to the analogue outs so I could compare apples with apples. In the audio stores, the only signs of SACD or DVD-A are the ones emblazed on the components themselves. In the record stores there are no adverts anywhere publicising the formats - including the larger ones that sell surround audio and HT components. Most of the sales attendants know nothing and nor do they show interest in wanting information. Thank goodness for internet hi-res music sales - but for how long?
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Post by 51surr September 7, 2005 (10 of 16)
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I've looked in Best Buy and the Stones SACD are getting scarce. I've noticed all the SACD are in digi-paks while the newer releases are in jewel boxes with DSM remastered on the jewel box spine. I got the ones I want- Hot Rocks, Beggars Banquet, and Let It Bleed.
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