Post by canonical February 23, 2012 (1 of 30)
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The Reich recording:
Reich: The Desert Music, Three Movements - Kristjan Järvi
has been removed from Chandos' own hi-rez download store (theclassicalshop.net); nor is it available at HDTracks anymore.
Looks like some people have more open minds than others.
The SA-CD.net listing still states "DSD recording" ... seems Stephen is the only site vendor that still believes that.
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Post by Nagraboy February 23, 2012 (2 of 30)
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canonical said:
The Reich recording:
Reich: The Desert Music, Three Movements - Kristjan Järvi
has been removed from Chandos' own hi-rez download store (theclassicalshop.net); nor is it available at HDTracks anymore.
Looks like some people have more open minds than others.
The SA-CD.net listing still states "DSD recording" ... seems Stephen is the only site vendor that still believes that.
Does this imply a deliberate duping of the SACD-buying public, or some kind of error? It's a bit hard to see how they wouldn't have known it was a PCM recording. Very puzzling.
I only own one Chandos recording - the Elgar Violin Concerto. It too says DSD recorded on it and sounds very good to me. Would be nice to know the full story about Chandos and DSD now. As I said though, the disc sounds good so I'd buy more of their SACDs in the future, regardless of their digital origins.
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Post by zeus February 23, 2012 (3 of 30)
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canonical said:
The SA-CD.net listing still states "DSD recording" ... seems Stephen is the only site vendor that still believes that.
The information on this site is what I'm told or as documented, not what I believe. I don't make up information. It might be helpful to keep this in mind.
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Post by Claude February 23, 2012 (4 of 30)
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I don't trust the Chandos website indications very much concerning the nature of the recording, because these are not taken from the booklets, which do not state the type of recording.
Who knows where the people who update the website got the information from and if they care about the accuracy of the information. It could be they entered a few discs at the same time and did copy/paste for the "format" part.
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Post by pacwin February 23, 2012 (5 of 30)
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Post by DSD February 23, 2012 (6 of 30)
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Pacwin look closer at the page you posted. Chandos offers MP3 and Lossless for the Steve Reich, if you move your mouse over the Question mark you will see it's 16/44.1. If there was a hi-rez download listed there would be another button with the words STUDIO and the bit/frequency rate.
The other link you posted does say it was recorded DSD, it is possible it was and then possibly edited in 44.1k.
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Post by canonical February 23, 2012 (7 of 30)
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pacwin said:
It is still showing DSD recording and still available for download in my world?
Nup - as per DSD's explanation ... the Reich is now only offered as an mp3 or CD quality download. Compare to say the Lutoslawski which is offered as a hi-rez download ...
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Post by bissie February 23, 2012 (8 of 30)
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Nagraboy said:
Does this imply a deliberate duping of the SACD-buying public, or some kind of error? It's a bit hard to see how they wouldn't have known it was a PCM recording. Very puzzling.
I only own one Chandos recording - the Elgar Violin Concerto. It too says DSD recorded on it and sounds very good to me. Would be nice to know the full story about Chandos and DSD now. As I said though, the disc sounds good so I'd buy more of their SACDs in the future, regardless of their digital origins.
To Nagraboy, two comments:
1) If the disc SOUNDS good, then surely that should be enough reason to buy it, regardless of how it has been recorded. So why this TOTAL emphasis on numbers rather than actual sound? The proof of the pudding lies in the eating, not the packaging.
2) Since Ralph Couzens of Chandos does not enter into these discussions (perhaps a very good idea - my participation some time back nearly drove me out of my little mind), let me tell you the following:
We send each other hard drives with our recordings to be sold at our respective sites. We sent him a backlog of some 200 "hi-res" products, out of which he mercilessly scrapped anything for his shop that was recorded in 24/44,1, regardless if they sounded fantastically. This shows Ralph Couzens to be very, very careful with what he actually does sell. From that I infer that there is absolutely no way that he would have tried to pull a fast one with the Reich. N-O W-A-Y.
We can all make mistakes. Possibly Reich was a mistake, I don't know. That doesn't make us crooks, or dupers.
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To Arnaldo:
Yes, it was this discussion that finally persuaded us to declare the exact technical details (and to change sampling frequency in our recordings upwards). I still think this is a storm in a teacup, but, since the enjoyment of music takes place with the eyes rather than the ears with so many posters, I felt that this discussion, as far as BIS is concerned, had to stop sometime.
Robert
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Post by Claude February 23, 2012 (9 of 30)
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I think you handled that well, Robert.
To avoid problems, Chandos should simply stop indicating "DSD recording" on their website, which is only relevant to a bunch of people anyway.
It would be interesting to know why Chandos removed the 24/96 download. Maybe the recording was made in DSD but then edited in 24/44, before being upsampled to 24/96. In that case it would have been more sincere to offer a 24/44 download (as BIS does with their recordings), even if that would have detracted some people from buying it. It does not make sense to restrict a hi-rez shop to 24/96 downloads, but pricing should take account of the different resolutions.
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Post by padraig February 23, 2012 (10 of 30)
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Robert - I agree with all you have written.
The number of people who are obsessed by numbers and 'out to catch' them are very, very small in comparison to the number who buy SACDs. There are those who are obsessive about pixels at 100% or more in digital photography apparently missing the photograph altogether! There are those who are obsessive about 'bits' in digital music and maybe never actually listen to the music, or perhaps don't understand music. Fortunately the majority listen with their ears and don't bother to engage in 'bit peeping' for their enjoyment!
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