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Ernani71 said:
Living, breathing, even dreaming Brahms lately . . . Masur may well be my next stop. Didn't even realize it was out. Brahms!!!!!!!
To be quite honest, supposedly Solti's Brahms version (RBCD, only) has been declared definitive but for $23 for three multichannel discs (QUAD 4.0) I have been thrilled with the Masur version.
I have NO pretensions of being a musicologist but Pentatone did an admirable remastering job and even if you are not totally thrilled, this purchase will certainly NOT break the bank.
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Post by AmonRa July 26, 2011 (122 of 145)
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DSD said:
"There is now research to suggest that demagnetization of computer discs (including CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, DVD, DVD-R and other similar disc media) result in reduced block error rates."
"...after demagnetizing CDs and DVDs. Improved clarity and resolution of fine detail, cleaner top-end and a more developed soundstage are common enhancements."
"Videophiles offer similar reports of improvement related to picture fidelity, color saturation and detail. "
Insulting ones tweaks is also not cool.
Exactly, those quotes prove the "study" is pure BS. Reduced errors never manifest themselves as "clarity, cleaner top-end etc, color saturation" etc. Random data errors cause clicks, dropouts, picture blocking etc. If they are fully corrected, nothing. Data is data, audio is audio. Do you get better prose and spreadsheets from demagnetized CD-ROMs?
Insulting musical taste is not cool, insulting ignorance hopefully causes one to study things behind audio technology, in this case.
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Post by AmonRa July 26, 2011 (123 of 145)
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rammiepie said:
And it is also effective on demagnetizing one's speakers.....
But, as usual, there is always a backlash from posters who debunk such "theories" without EVER TRYING Them.
To them, the world is still FLAT!
I thought those with scientific outlook are the round-earthers...
How about writing first your posts on a CD-ROM and demagnetizing it. I would improve them, could even put some sense in them.
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Post by Chris July 26, 2011 (124 of 145)
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DSD said:
Insulting ones tweaks is also not cool.
I am certainly one of those who maybe ought have kept my big mouth shut in some respects,in this thread ,but didn't. Mea Culpa.
On the other hand,I can't help reacting a bit ,when it seems like one subject after the other is being questioned by Teresa.
What's up next Teresa?
Disagreeing with Teresa on any subject whatsoever is not cool and should be banned?
Am I the only one who finds it riduculous to ban subjects or discussions for fear of insulting someone?
We are adults here,and can take a blow or two to the ego, without the need for having to run to mummy for help,aren't we?
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Post by DSD July 26, 2011 (125 of 145)
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AmonRa said:
Exactly, those quotes prove the "study" is pure BS.
Insulting ignorance hopefully causes one to study things behind audio technology, in this case.
Really how so? Scientific study will NEVER be a substitute to listening enjoyment! If science cannot explain why something sounds better or science's explanation is WRONG that is not the music's fault that is science's fault! Listen with your ears, not with "current" scientific theories.
Scientific theories are in constant flux and change all the time. A theory is used as long as it matches reality closer than the theory that came before, when it no longer does a new theory is presented. The biggest thing science teaches as is how much humans do not know.
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Post by DSD July 26, 2011 (126 of 145)
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Chris said:
Disagreeing with Teresa on any subject whatsoever is not cool and should be banned?
No one is asking for anything to be banned. It is fine to disagree however insulting anyone on any subject is not cool, it is about good manners.
For example calling music one does not like that others enjoy "crap" or insulting the mentality of those who listen to it is not only very uncool but mean and nasty. However saying one does not like the music because it sucks or is boring is fine because it is personal opinion and applies only to the listener as long as one does not insult those who like it. As I have always said about music, what I find boring others may find contemplative so it is best to listen for oneself.
These good manners extend into all areas of thought not just music IMHO.
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DSD said:
Did you even read the link I provided?
http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/demagnetization.html
"There is now research to suggest that demagnetization of computer discs (including CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, DVD, DVD-R and other similar disc media) result in reduced block error rates."
"...after demagnetizing CDs and DVDs. Improved clarity and resolution of fine detail, cleaner top-end and a more developed soundstage are common enhancements."
"Videophiles offer similar reports of improvement related to picture fidelity, color saturation and detail. "
Insulting ones tweaks is also not cool.
I'm sorry, but that page doesn't show any scientific research. I'd like to see some numbers of bit error rates before and after the process. THAT would be research.
What that page does is take opinions and state them as fact by claiming it's research.
If it is a real effect, science can prove how it works. Demagnetizing optical media makes no sense.
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Post by DSD July 26, 2011 (128 of 145)
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Melduforx a simple google search pulled up this PDF from Furutech with test results
http://www.svalander.se/?ma=get_product_file&id=85547
Everyone who sells these offers a 30 day satisfaction guarantee, it is simple try one and trust your ears. Science can't always explain what one hears, there is still so many performance parameters to discover and learn how to measure.
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Post by AmonRa July 26, 2011 (129 of 145)
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DSD said:
Really how so? Scientific study will NEVER be a substitute to listening enjoyment! If science cannot explain why something sounds better or science's explanation is WRONG that is not the music's fault that is science's fault! Listen with your ears, not with "current" scientific theories.
Never before digital audio has audio recording and reproduction relied more on high level applied science and mathematics. Exactly for the same reason never before there has been as much voodoo, ignorance and misunderstandings about how it works. Has digital audio secretly developed traits which science can not explain? Highly unlikely... Machines were supposed to develop the will of their own no sooner than 2053...
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DSD said:
Melduforx a simple google search pulled up this PDF from Furutech with test results
http://www.svalander.se/?ma=get_product_file&id=85547
Everyone who sells these offers a 30 day satisfaction guarantee, it is simple try one and trust your ears. Science can't always explain what one hears, there is still so many performance parameters to discover and learn how to measure.
I don't want to cause a huge debate, but those test results aren't anywhere near scientific. The graphs don't say what they're results from and the CD tests seem to indicate they were run a grand total of one time.
Also, I don't typically trust results coming from the company itself. I did a google search earlier and couldn't find anything that's done by anyone who isn't selling a demagnetizing device.
They show the lowering of the magnetization of an LP from 630 to 570 NANO tesla. That's a 60 NANO tesla difference. A small magnet is 10,000,000 NANO tesla. Yes. 10 Million.
Stronger magnetic fields are created by the mere motion of the disc on the platter.
They don't show results for a CD, so that makes me kind of suspicious.
The placebo effect is VERY strong -- that's why the "listen" test doesn't work as a scientific method.
I'm gonna agree to disagree on this one.
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