Thread: Back to an Old Friend: Cliburn's Rachmaninov, Prokofiev and Tchaikovsky

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Post by jdaniel December 31, 2010 (1 of 6)
Cliburn was the pianist (and household name along with Ormandy, etc if one collected in US in the '70's), who introduced me to these works so it's really hard to know if I'm the dupe of "imprinting" here, but I still find him very enjoyable as re-released in the "Living Stereo" SACD series: Rach's 2nd/3rd, Prokofiev 3rd, and Tchaikovsky 1st.

I've noticed more than a few reviewers dismiss him as "bland," but I just can't agree. Yes: he's a little slower than some, but he's not slow in the modern artistic sense: distorting and fussing over every phrase in the name of "fresh" "profound," "insightful" interpretation ala Rattle, Gergiev, and Sinopoli, (though the latter can be riveting); No. Cliburn IMHO allows the music to breath and all the impossibly huge and thick passing piano chords ring thus register.

As an example I would take the whirlwind finale of the Prokofiev 3rd: have you ever been better able to hear the actual chord progressions and logic which underpin the music? Confession: I just don't get Janis (or Argerich) in this piece, though I appreciate their superhuman speed, but what of Prokofiev's poetry?

What makes the Cliburn/Hendl approach special to me is their projection of lyricism and the fantastical: links to Romeo and Juliet and the 1st violin concerto. Cliburn/CSO indulge in some remarkably beautiful moments in the first mov't which others gloss right over: the lonely, dovetailing clarinet solo, or those quiet, swelling twice-repeated chord progressions for strings accompanied by mercurial "star-spray" on the piano, (lifted for the Star Trek "final frontier" aural signature). The recording of this piece, and the Rach 2nd--both in Chicago by the Layton/Mohr team--are the best of the lot.

And so it goes; the finale of the Rachmaninoff 3rd is exciting but not hard-pressed and thus reveals myriad detail. (Though trumpet is artificially-forward). Listen to all the detail in the famous "plunge into despair" as the piano enters in the 2nd mov't, done without fussiness or over-indulgence, but more important to me in this age of (Paavo) Jarvian, Spanoian, and Pletnevian "thin-lippedness," Cliburn and Kondrashin don't shy away from these moments of darkness or ecstasy either...they just know when to come up for air, IMHO. The strings in the 3rd get a little hard occasionally, but I've heard recordings in "pure DSD" which are worse. What can one do?

The Tchaikovsky 1st is as lovely as ever not least in the bubbling poetry of the mid-first mov't, which when compared to the Volodos, is much more poetic as well at it's more leisurely pace. Cliburn comes out on top in this respect throughout the piece, from the limpid 2nd mov't to the flying octave runs of the last pages which come across and thunderous as well as fast.

Whatever the battle between Lp and SACD, the SACDs are clearly better with regard to presenting the last pages of all these Concerti; which unfortunately for Lp are placed in the last, most unflattering spirals of grooves. At as low as $4.99 nowadays, do give old Cliburn a try.

Post by armenian December 31, 2010 (2 of 6)
About the same time that these recordings were made RCA offered two other versions that remain my all time favorites, one is Rubinstein/Reiner/CSO Rachmaninoff 2nd and another Gilels/Reiner/CSO Tchaikovsky 1st.

I had both Cliburn and Gilels in Tchaikovsky, no contest as I see it, Gilels puts up a firestorm and Reiner/CSO offers an equally intense support, after hearing Gilels its hard to go back to Cliburn.

Vahe

Post by jdaniel December 31, 2010 (3 of 6)
armenian said:

About the same time that these recordings were made RCA offered two other versions that remain my all time favorites, one is Rubinstein/Reiner/CSO Rachmaninoff 2nd and another Gilels/Reiner/CSO Tchaikovsky 1st.

I had both Cliburn and Gilels in Tchaikovsky, no contest as I see it, Gilels puts up a firestorm and Reiner/CSO offers an equally intense support, after hearing Gilels its hard to go back to Cliburn.

Vahe

Thanks for reading, although I have the Rubinstein Rach 2nd in my record collection, I find it a little too "Schumann-esque," (or balanced too much toward "classical" poise for my tastes), much like Ashkenazy's on Decca with Kondrashin as compared to his latter with Previn. I wasn't aware of Gilels' Tchaikovsky with Reiner, only his Brahms 2nd. I wouldn't go to Cliburn for firestorms, that's for sure, just his intelligence and poetry coupled with perfectly adequate virtuosity for my needs.

Of the four pieces mentioned above, I find the Tchaikovsky 1st most "unbreakable," though now that I've heard the Volodos/Ozawa all the way through, it's a little routine, though paradoxically Volodos' virtuosity is stunning.

Post by armenian December 31, 2010 (4 of 6)
If I have to describe Rubinstein’s Rachmaninoff 2nd I would call it an aristocratic performing style, his Brahms 1st with Reiner/CSO is another exceptional performance.

Rubinstein and Reiner got into an argument following pianists insistence on frequently interrupting the recording session to get it all right, upset at each other they never again collaborated after this recording, our loss and RCA’s gain as the label considered Cliburn’s public appeal a good reason to push back the old timers and go with what sells better.

Gilels was at the height of his performing powers when the Tchakovsky 1st was recorded, it was during his first visit to US right about 1955, Arcadi Volodos is his current equivalent and anyone that likes the red hot Russian piano virtuoso playing should hear the Tchaikovsky 1st by Gilels.

Vahe

Post by Musikus April 29, 2011 (5 of 6)
Another vote for the Rubinstein/Reiner Rachmaninov - these have always been my favourite. I would love to see them release an sacd version of this, though I wonder if the master is in decent enough shape to justify it.

I've never been a big fan of the Cliburn recordings - there have always been other versions I have preferred to turn to. I am nevertheless grateful to have them in DSD however.

Post by jdaniel April 29, 2011 (6 of 6)
Musikus said:

Another vote for the Rubinstein/Reiner Rachmaninov - these have always been my favourite. I would love to see them release an sacd version of this, though I wonder if the master is in decent enough shape to justify it.

I've never been a big fan of the Cliburn recordings - there have always been other versions I have preferred to turn to. I am nevertheless grateful to have them in DSD however.

Of all the Cliburn's it's his Prokofiev 3rd I'd recommend; again, if you want a Prokofiev 3rd PC tilted more toward "whimsy" (such as the VC1 or R&J/Cinderella) as opposed to "iron and steel."

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