Post by porpielee September 9, 2010 (21 of 45)
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rammiepie said:
I will use the two halves of my SHM~SACD of the Who's Next as Sake coasters!
When life gives you lemons, you make lemonade.
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Post by Allen September 9, 2010 (22 of 45)
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Sorry to hear that...
On the other hand, I never, never, never buy into certain Japanese tech inventions, such as SHM-CD, XRCD, XRCD2, LPCD, Blue spec CD, etc. etc. These are just a routine dead cow milking act performed by greedy publishers. Unfortunately people from Japan and Hongkong are especially un-educated, and easy believers, sorry to say that.
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Post by rammiepie September 9, 2010 (23 of 45)
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Allen said:
Sorry to hear that...
On the other hand, I never, never, never buy into certain Japanese tech inventions, such as SHM-CD, XRCD, XRCD2, LPCD, Blue spec CD, etc. etc. These are just a routine dead cow milking act performed by greedy publishers. Unfortunately people from Japan and Hongkong are especially un-educated, and easy believers, sorry to say that.
But they're very saavy at marketing skills. I have learned many lessons in life and as Judy Garland said in the Wizard of Oz "There's no place like home." I will be looking forward to Analogue Productions upcoming SACD reissues using the Grimm Audio Converter which thankfully, is NOT a gimmick. At least, I know their reputation and skill at reissues, and at least in the SACD arena, they have better taste than the Japanese and their "gimmicks."
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Post by Ernani71 September 9, 2010 (24 of 45)
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Goodwood said:
Thanks for the warning. I never intended to do anything special to the disks but I do always assume that discs are strong.
I am sure your martyred disk will save many more.
Actually, if anybody can afford it, I wish some more people would add this extra pressure that rammie is talking about to see it anything actually happens. Maybe it was a defective disc? For the kind of money that those discs are being sold, you'd think they'd last.
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Post by korowa September 9, 2010 (25 of 45)
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And my wife said I was "heavy handed" ;)
I'm awfully sorry to hear this.. especially considering how expensive these discs are.
It reminds me of the fellow who dropped an iPhone 4 on launch day.. and it shattered.
At least that could be fixed.
I 've never used any type of chemical on my discs.. very occasionally.. and I mean very occasionally I use a damp lint-free soft cloth to wipe dust off.
So far... I only have "Relaxin with Miles Davis" .. and I wiped it the same way (same pressure) as I have done with all of my other discs and there was no damage..
Just a thought.. may it have got damaged during shipping? With you putting on that pressure.. it may have completed the job.
A few years ago I dropped a CD in its jewel box case on a hard surface.. The cover was intact.. no scratches, no cracks.. and I thought that was close.. but when I inspected the disc, I found very minute cracks.
Regardless, I would send an email to Universal and CD-Japan.. let them know what has happen.. you never know they may send a replacement.
Send Photos.. I'm sure you'll get a response
As you say, these materials.... they maybe great for refraction or whatever but they could be lousy when it comes to using polishes, chemicals etc (easily damaged)... I don't know
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Allen said:
Sorry to hear that...
On the other hand, I never, never, never buy into certain Japanese tech inventions, such as SHM-CD, XRCD, XRCD2, LPCD, Blue spec CD, etc. etc. These are just a routine dead cow milking act performed by greedy publishers. Unfortunately people from Japan and Hongkong are especially un-educated, and easy believers, sorry to say that.
WOW...that's quite a statement. Your generalization of people from Japan and Hong Kong is certainly offensive to say the least.
As for your views on Japan pressed SHM-CD, XRCD, XRCD2, BluSpec CD, etc, I guess the saying 'to each their own' applies. What facts do you have to support this comment? None, I suspect.
As an (educated) individual in possession of a high-end audio system, a vast digital music libarary, and a keen set of ears, I can state with utmost certainty that these Japan hi-rez formats are not 'just a routine dead cow milking act'. The fact that you cannot hear the benefits brought by this technology does not mean that no one else can.
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porpielee said:
When life gives you lemons, you make lemonade.
You have also read Dale Carnegies great book How to etc.
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Post by Johnno September 13, 2010 (28 of 45)
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flyingdutchman said:
Why? Certainly no label thinks that people are going to put some kind of goop on their cds or SACDs and proceed to break the discs. Now, a warning to be careful about dropping them or something about a cleaning suggestion maybe, but Rammie put something on the disc that maybe shouldn't have been put on in the first place. "Brittle" as they may be, no amount of goop is considered normal when cleaning a disc.
What I simply suggested was that if the material is as brittle as Rammie unfortunately found out, then some warning about general handling from the manufacturers might seem to be in order.
Actually, Rammie was surely within his rights to believe from past experience that he would be able to treat these discs in the same way as he had others of 'standard' material. Was it the goop that he appled that caused the fracture, or was it simply placing the disc on a hard surface and applying what he no doubt considered was moderate pressure?
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Johnno said:
What I simply suggested was that if the material is as brittle as Rammie unfortunately found out, then some warning about general handling from the manufacturers might seem to be in order.
Actually, Rammie was surely within his rights to believe from past experience that he would be able to treat these discs in the same way as he had others of 'standard' material. Was it the goop that he appled that caused the fracture, or was it simply placing the disc on a hard surface and applying what he no doubt considered was moderate pressure?
Actually, I know of no CD or SACD manufacturer that recommends using any liquid to clean discs. As for cleaning any discs, I have never seen anyone clean a disc on a hard surface. I use my fingers to hold a disc and using a soft shammie cloth clean a disc from the inner to the outer part of the disc.
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Post by rammiepie September 13, 2010 (30 of 45)
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Johnno, quite simply, I have put other discs through the ringer (mapleshade polish, green ink on the sides, Ultra~Vivid, etc. and have even washed them under mild soap and warm water) and THIS has NEVER happened before. And when I first heard the "tear," it was simply weird as it wasn't the sound of plastic cracking but something far more (shall we say) sinister.
I suppose it's an entirely new compound (for refractive purposes) and I would just caution users to be especially vigilant not to drop them or force them out of their tight inner sleeves (two or three of the SHM~SACDs were hard to pry out of their packaging, initially).
And for those who do have SACD players in their cars, I would be especially vigilant.
It might have been an isolated incident, but I have learned my lesson but honestly feel that they would've benefitted from my "tweak."
At least one can still put a damper on top of the disc as that is still "safe" (and did improve the sound but not the way Ultra~Vivid plus the damper would).
If I can find an elf with a "light touch," then maybe I will try attempt to do it again....but at $50 a pop, I cannot risk another failure.
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