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I'm new to both this forum and to SACD in general so please forgive. I read this 2004 article (http://www.digitaltrends.com/talk-backs/are-dvd-audio-and-sacd-doa/) that states the following:
"If you go out and buy a copy of, say, Let It Bleed by the Rolling Stones, you're likely to get a hybrid SACD/CD release whether you know it or not. The hybrid SACD/CD release has replaced the plain-CD release. It'll play on any CD player but will reveal its true colors on an SACD-compatible player. Quietly slipping SACD into the music libraries of CD buyers is a brilliant idea, and the fact that the format supports a regular CD layer makes it possible."
Is this still true? If you go to Amazon and search "SACD Rolling Stones" it takes you here:
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=sacd+rolling+stones
There you'll see remastered versions of December's Children, Let It Bleed, and Beggar's Banguet for under $15. Are these SACDs?
Again, I'm sure this is common knowledge amongst the "salty dogs" on this forum. Sorry for the rookie question.
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Post by michi April 6, 2010 (2 of 16)
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If you can find the Abkco releases and they're in cardboard digipaks -- the digipak ones will be SACD. The jewel case ones that simply say "DSD REMASTER" are RBCD.
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Hello,
It is my understanding that the ABKCO releases from 2003 to 2005, (I think), are hybrid SACD. SACD players and Universal players should automagically play the SACD layer without you doing anything.
In my opinion, and in my speculation, - ABKCO made a point of trying to hide the SACD part of things so that it wouldn't scare people away. Since few know what SACD is, - they didn't want to bring down sales and scare people away, confused.
Some would call this a failure of marketing, wherein one of the greatest potential SACD proponents runs and hides, filled with fear. Activity like this makes SACD irrelevent and an exclusive collectors item/jewelry for the lucky and wealthy. Other than manufacturing and releasing Beatles SACDs, there is no better way to kill a format, than to manufacture Rolling Stones SACD's then not scream "ROLLING STONES ARE ON SACD" from the rooftops.
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Post by zeus April 6, 2010 (4 of 16)
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James in VA said:
Are these SACDs?
Possibly, but probably not. ABKCO reissued the SA-CDs as CDs but retained the same UPC. Since Amazon etc ship by UPC there's no guarantee which you'll receive, irrespective of the description on their site. All the buy links from here now point to the Japanese versions only which didn't have their UPC recycled. If you follow the links from here you're guaranteed of receiving the SA-CD version ... though at greater cost.
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Post by Pjotr April 7, 2010 (5 of 16)
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hi James, i have a good copy of the Beggars Banquet SACD for sale.
PM me if u are interested
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Post by wolf359 April 7, 2010 (6 of 16)
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If you search this forum you will find many long discussions and how to spot which of the stones discs are SACDS or not, As previously mentioned if they are in a cardboard digipak sleeve they are most likely the SACD's. The problem lies with both the Record company for using the same UPC over again and thus not allowing an easy method of discrimination between the types of disc. In addition amazon tend to use this UPC to descibe the the disc type as though it were set in stone (Sorry bout the pun) So the Stones SACD's came with a UPC which described them as SACD. The subsequent reissues on CD came with the same UPC so they they are classed as SACD even though they are not. Amazon compounded the error by describing them as SACD remasters which is totally confusing (I think they mean remastered FROM SACD to RBCD) but this is not at all clear. I got most of mine via Ebay and I checked with the sellers if I had doubts by asking the following questions A) are they in a carboard sleeve b) are they silver or gold coloured (Hybrid) c) do they come with a certificate of authenticity (the orginal SACD's had such an item). Many E bay sellers do not know what an SACD is and freely use the SACD sleeve when they shouldn't its a case of buyer beware. Happy hunting
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Definitely don't order from Amazon. I did and had to spend a 1/2 hour on the phone with a customer service agent in India explaining why i was returning them and wanted the freight paid by Amazon. Not good times. As mentioned, e-Bay is a good bet (don't pull the trigger without confirmation they are indeed SACD) or, the way I collected most of mine, just search CD stores. You can find old stock in many of them (although the more popular albums like Beggars and Let if Bleed are harder to find). If it's a digipak, it's SACD.
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Thanks to everyone for sharing information. As an SACD newbie, it is much appreciated.
I've been looking in record stores for the digipaks. Today I finally came across one (out of our heads) but I'm not sure if it is an SACD hybrid. It is definitely a digipak and on the back it says "2002 ABKCO Records." It was kind of expensive (at FYE) so I'd be bummed if I opened it and it was just a RBCD. Should I feel confident that I've found one of these elusive SACDs?
Thanks again!
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James in VA said:
Thanks to everyone for sharing information. As an SACD newbie, it is much appreciated.
I've been looking in record stores for the digipaks. Today I finally came across one (out of our heads) but I'm not sure if it is an SACD hybrid. It is definitely a digipak and on the back it says "2002 ABKCO Records." It was kind of expensive (at FYE) so I'd be bummed if I opened it and it was just a RBCD. Should I feel confident that I've found one of these elusive SACDs?
Thanks again!
Yes.
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Post by Lunna July 28, 2015 (10 of 16)
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(I also just posted this over at SHTV) - I saw this ancient thread but have to ask - are all the ABKCO Stones SACDs only in digi-packs? Until today, all the ones I've found to date have been in the digi-pack, but I just received
Sympathy For The Devil in a regular jewel case, and the insert seems to have been made for the jewel case. The disc itself has the SACD logo - so, question: has anyone heard of any ABKCO SACDs that actually came in the jewel case? I'm fairly certain (I haven't played it yet) that this is a genuine SACD. Thanks.
FOLLOW UP: Well, I just figured this out ... It's definitely an SACD, but a curio.
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