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channel said:
Dear Chris,
I will certainly pass on your thoughts about recording Lizst to Ivan. I am indeed excited to read your thoughts (and from Hurwitz) about this Brahms. The ability of Fischer and his orchestra to keep the long musical lines intact and yet have the freedom needed to also make it romantic is very special. Fischer keeps surprising us with new ideas to these old standards.
He is in Amsterdam this week with the Concertgebouw orchestra so that I will have a chance to spend some time with him. Beside the our regular recordings we are working on something special!
greetings
Jared
Jared,
Record Tchaikovsky's Manfred!
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Post by Edvin November 4, 2009 (32 of 97)
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Has anyone heard the new Rattle set? I usually don't like Rattle but his Brahms is superb. I look forward to hearing Fischer, but I regret the ugly design.Yak.
And record Manfred!!!!
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Post by pgmdir November 4, 2009 (33 of 97)
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Huh? Ugly design? Perhaps you mean the digipak--- Has Sir Simon done anything anyone has liked for a while. Gawd knows his Beethoven limped away, wimpering.
(uh oh--- probably stepped on some toes there!)
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Post by Peter November 4, 2009 (34 of 97)
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Edvin said:
Has anyone heard the new Rattle set? I usually don't like Rattle but his Brahms is superb.
Yes, Thomas, I have - I was very impressed by 1 and 3, thought 2 was pretty good, but reserve judgement on 4. Rattle brings out the detail but doesn't impede the flow, something of which he has been accused in the past, perhaps with some justification.
He and the BPO have released some excellent issues in the last few years, this Brahms, the Mahler 9 and the Stravinsky collection to name but three. Despite some critics' best pitches, Rattle has settled in very well in Berlin, and there's no denying he's a damned fine musician, whether you like what he does or not. No Tchaikovsky, though, so you won't get a Manfred from him, either in the superb cut version or the flatulent incompetent full one.
Listening to Rattle and Fischer in the opening of the 1st, one can understand the need for multiple versions in a record collection.
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Peter said:
Yes, Thomas, I have - I was very impressed by 1 and 3, thought 2 was pretty good, but reserve judgement on 4. Rattle brings out the detail but doesn't impede the flow, something of which he has been accused in the past, perhaps with some justification.
He and the BPO have released some excellent issues in the last few years, this Brahms, the Mahler 9 and the Stravinsky collection to name but three. Despite some critics' best pitches, Rattle has settled in very well in Berlin, and there's no denying he's a damned fine musician, whether you like what he does or not. No Tchaikovsky, though, so you won't get a Manfred from him, either in the superb cut version or the flatulent incompetent full one.
Listening to Rattle and Fischer in the opening of the 1st, one can understand the need for multiple versions in a record collection.
Oh, please Peter, can you stop with the slams against the complete Manfred? The cut version is cut and incomplete. I want what Tchaikovsky put out complete and no where have I seen Tchaikovsky say he wanted to cut any of it (other than Raffy who says he wanted to delete the whole work, which is not the same).
Further, I have not seen anyone on other forums complain about the complete version in favor of the cut Goossens, or Kletzki other than you and Raffy. Everyone has their favorite, but to call the cut version superb and the complete version flatulent and incompetent disregards what most people are saying about the work.
Oh, and no one is asking Rattle to record it since it will not be SACD and multichannel and I doubt he has anything to really say about it. We're asking Jared to record it on Channel.
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Post by channel November 6, 2009 (36 of 97)
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flyingdutchman said:
Oh, please Peter, can you stop with the slams against the complete Manfred? The cut version is cut and incomplete. I want what Tchaikovsky put out complete and no where have I seen Tchaikovsky say he wanted to cut any of it (other than Raffy who says he wanted to delete the whole work, which is not the same).
Further, I have not seen anyone on other forums complain about the complete version in favor of the cut Goossens, or Kletzki other than you and Raffy. Everyone has their favorite, but to call the cut version superb and the complete version flatulent and incompetent disregards what most people are saying about the work.
Oh, and no one is asking Rattle to record it since it will not be SACD and multichannel and I doubt he has anything to really say about it. We're asking Jared to record it on Channel.
I will mail your request to Ivan.
In the meantime, I have put Brahms Hungarian Dance no. 7 as a FREE DOWNLOAD on our new homepage. This was recorded at the same time as the Dance no. 14 that begins the Brahms cd but Ivan felt it really did not fit in with the rest of the pieces. It is also his own arrangement.
I hope everyone will take the time to look at our site. And maybe even sign up on our facebook page via our home page. Would love to have feedback - positive and negative!
greetings
Jared
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Post by DSD November 6, 2009 (37 of 97)
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channel said:
I will mail your request to Ivan.
In the meantime, I have put Brahms Hungarian Dance no. 7 as a FREE DOWNLOAD on our new homepage. This was recorded at the same time as the Dance no. 14 that begins the Brahms cd but Ivan felt it really did not fit in with the rest of the pieces. It is also his own arrangement.
I hope everyone will take the time to look at our site. And maybe even sign up on our facebook page via our home page. Would love to have feedback - positive and negative!
greetings
Jared
Hi Jared,
Thanks for the free download of the Brahms Hungarian Dance no. 7. I have a question for Ivan Fischer, why did you leave out the percussion instruments on your arrangement? I ask this sincerely as that is the spice that makes the orchestral versions of the Hungarian Dances so special to me coupled with the fact I dearly love your version of Dvorak: Slavonic Dances - Fischer which is very percussive rich.
I listened to your arrangement of No. 7 and compared it to the orchestral version I have in another format and I really, really miss the percussion. I know I requested you do all 21 Hungarian Dances, I just wanted to stress my request is for the full orchestral versions with percussion like you did with the Dvorak Slavonic Dances.
All the best,
Teresa
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Post by channel November 7, 2009 (38 of 97)
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DSD said:
Hi Jared,
Thanks for the free download of the Brahms Hungarian Dance no. 7. I have a question for Ivan Fischer, why did you leave out the percussion instruments on your arrangement? I ask this sincerely as that is the spice that makes the orchestral versions of the Hungarian Dances so special to me coupled with the fact I dearly love your version of Dvorak: Slavonic Dances - Fischer which is very percussive rich.
I listened to your arrangement of No. 7 and compared it to the orchestral version I have in another format and I really, really miss the percussion. I know I requested you do all 21 Hungarian Dances, I just wanted to stress my request is for the full orchestral versions with percussion like you did with the Dvorak Slavonic Dances.
All the best,
Teresa
Dear Teresa,
While orchestrating the Hungarian Dances by Brahms I had two options in mind. This recording of the 7th Hungarian Dance is the version without cimbalom. I wrote another version (with two cimbaloms) which you can hear on my earlier Philips recording. The cimbalom is not a percussion instrument but it can be considered as the rhythm section of a traditional Gipsy band. A real percussion instrument wouldn’t fit well in this dance.
Best wishes
Ivan Fischer
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Post by DSD November 7, 2009 (39 of 97)
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channel said:
Dear Teresa,
While orchestrating the Hungarian Dances by Brahms I had two options in mind. This recording of the 7th Hungarian Dance is the version without cimbalom. I wrote another version (with two cimbaloms) which you can hear on my earlier Philips recording. The cimbalom is not a percussion instrument but it can be considered as the rhythm section of a traditional Gipsy band. A real percussion instrument wouldn’t fit well in this dance.
Best wishes
Ivan Fischer
Maestro Fischer thank you for your reply.
I listened to sound samples of your Philips version all 21 Hungarian Dances at Amazon.com and in the small samples I was very impressed with the overall gypsy feel to them. And there was lots of percussion in nearly all the dances and they were very "danceable" sounding.
I noticed you orchestrated Nos. 2,4,5,7,11,12,13 and 14 and used the traditional orchestration for the rest. I am once again excited about the possibility of an SACD version of these beautiful compositions. You recorded this in 1999, has enough time passed to do an updated version?
Thanks again,
Teresa
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Post by groove November 20, 2009 (40 of 97)
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I've had my copy for a couple of weeks, and am amazed. This recording is the closest thing to the Romantic style of Brahms performance found in recordings by Joachim, Maud Powell, Max Fiedler, and Hermann Abendroth that I have heard in a modern performance.
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