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jakeroux said:
the resulting bass response was virtually non-existent post-calibration.
Maybe it that's what it should be for the disc(s) in question and you've got used to bass-heavy listening? Just a thought.
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jakeroux said:
Kal - this thread has gotten me curious about my own settings, which I haven't calibrated using Audyssey in well over a year. If you could indulge me in a little further educating, based on your experience in calibrating, I would very much appreciate it.
When calibrating, at what level should the output of the sub be set? Or, does it not make any difference, because Audyssey compensates as long as the post-calibration level remains the same as the pre-calibration level? When setting it according to the sub and/or Denon manual instructions, which, as I recall was around the 9 o'clock position on the sub's physical dial, the resulting bass response was virtually non-existent post-calibration. Thus, my increasing it to about the 11 or 12 o'clock position after calibrating. If it makes any difference, it's a HSU STF-2.
Thanks again.
The setting matters because the range of adjustment by Audyssey is limited to about +/-12dB. So, start with the level in the middle and see what Audyssey sets the sub level at. If it is close to or at +/-12dB, adjust the sub level down/up and recalibrate so that the calculated level is close to 0db.
There are many little but important matters like this. The best source of info is the Audyssey Setup Guide, compiled by AVSforum user giomania and continuously updated.
See: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14456895#post14456895
Kal
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Post by jakeroux June 5, 2009 (13 of 116)
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Polly Nomial said:
Maybe it that's what it should be for the disc(s) in question and you've got used to bass-heavy listening? Just a thought.
Well, that was my first thought when I initially set up my new system a couple of years ago. Then I found that concert DVD's sounded much better on the system as originally calibrated by Audyssey than did my RBCDs, which was what indirectly led me to SACD, since I reasoned that the difference between concert DVD and RBCDs must be the limitations of the RBCD media being shown with the new components. Of course, at that time I was completely unaware that the audio track of DVDs was of lesser quality than RBCD. I later discovered that Audyssey and/or my receiver somehow bass-managed DVDs differently than CDs. I’m short on details here, but this is alluded to in some of the discussion on the Audyssey thread on the AVS forum, which this discussion pointed me to. May be that it is even Denon-specific phenomenon, but the lack of bass response on Denon receivers calibrated by Audyssey seems to be a fairly common complaint (both on AVS and elsewhere), and not just from the bling-bling, boom-boom crowd.
I later rationalized it by convincing myself I was just expecting the bass presence of a live performance (with which I am familiar from personal experience) rather than perhaps the more subdued and “accurate” sound as captured in the studio - thus my initial line of reasoning on this thread. I’m now back to thinking the Audyssey calibration settings as administered by Denon, or at least my particular mode (2807), are not what they should be, at least when it comes to bass management on music playback. Whatever…for now will leave the current settings, as I know they sound better to me, and apparently a least a few others, rather than leaving the pure Audyssey-calibrated settings. Having said that, I probably will try one more calibration using Kal’s suggestion in the response above (thanks again, Kal).
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Post by zzoli June 5, 2009 (14 of 116)
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jakeroux said:
I later discovered that Audyssey and/or my receiver somehow bass-managed DVDs differently than CDs. I’m short on details here, but this is alluded to in some of the discussion on the Audyssey thread on the AVS forum, which this discussion pointed me to. May be that it is even Denon-specific phenomenon, but the lack of bass response on Denon receivers calibrated by Audyssey seems to be a fairly common complaint (both on AVS and elsewhere), and not just from the bling-bling, boom-boom crowd.
I’m now back to thinking the Audyssey calibration settings as administered by Denon, or at least my particular mode (2807), are not what they should be, at least when it comes to bass management on music playback. Whatever…for now will leave the current settings, as I know they sound better to me, and apparently a least a few others, rather than leaving the pure Audyssey-calibrated settings. Having said that, I probably will try one more calibration using Kal’s suggestion in the response above (thanks again, Kal).
(Sorry for my English)
Hi,
Regarding the bass managenemt in (some) Denon AVRs here is my story:
Recently I bought an AVR-1909. I use Audyssey and Dynamic EQ. I have a PS3 as an SA-CD player (and as a universal media player). The thing with my Denon is that when I use the Multi Channel Direct listening mode (or Pure Direct) there's no bass managment but the Audyssey features are still active.
In order to have bass management I have to use the 'Multi Channel In' listening mode. This is the only way to get the subwoofer work on the majority of my classical sa-cds. (Usually they don't have a .1 channel)
On Audyssey in general:
I have very cheap and small loudspeakers with a subwoofer and I hoped that a receiver with Audyssey might help with the sound. I know that this is not the right way to build a system but due to my circumstances I had to take this route.
I bought the speakers and the receiver at the same time - so I never heard those speakers is my room. After the first not so good setup session I finally managed to get good results - correct distance figures, reasonable crossovers. The equalisation works busy to correct the little speakers elevated response in the mid highs. Without Audyssey the speakers are too sharp with Audyssey Flat they sound acceptable. Also, more clarity and somewhat wider soundstage. Dynamic EQ is very good - usually I listen to music on moderate volume, so Dynamic EQ helps a lot.
All in all I'm very satisfied with Audyssey - it made the poor speakers sing.
Keep in mind I'm not an audiophile, not even a purist, only an average music lover.
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How does Audessey compare to Sony's propietary DCAC room correction system?
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ciderglider said:
How does Audessey compare to Sony's propietary DCAC room correction system?
Hard so say since (1) Sony offers absolutely no useful description of what is it supposed to do and (2) it is available only on AVRs (so I will not try it). If anyone has any technical info, let us know.
Kal
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ciderglider said:
How does Audessey compare to Sony's propietary DCAC room correction system?
For my money, there are only two competent "room EQ" systems available: Audyssey (the top-end MultEQ XT version is highly preferred) and Anthem's ARC. The in-house proprietary schemes by Sony, Pioneer, Yamaha or even Meridian are lackluster and far less comprehensive to me. Waiting in the wings is Trinnov from Europe, which might possibly have something on the ball. But, Trinnov is only on Sherwood Avr's (hardly on the radar screen in the US market) and on an Outlaw processor, which is taking forever to actually appear.
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I have Audyssey Multi EQ on my Onkyo 805 amp.
I use my PS3 as a source.
The maximum resolution of the SACD sound from my PS3 is 192kHz (a "lossless" DSD->PCM conversion done in the PS3).
The Onkyo 805 cannot process a 192kHz signal using Audyssey, so I am restrcited to listening to the full resolution SACD sound as it comes off the PS3. And it sounds pretty darn good.
HOWEVER.....if you set the PS3 to output at half the resolution, i.e. 96kHz, then you CAN make use of the Audyssey processing on the Onkyo.
And you know what? This is a revelation.
So much so that I am thinking, would I get any benefit getting a SACD machine that outputs the DSD stream without converting to PCM first (which the Onkyo 805 will do a straight DSD->Analgoue conversion, with no PCM)??
Tough choice.
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Post by toddao June 10, 2009 (19 of 116)
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FunkyMonkey said:
I have Audyssey Multi EQ on my Onkyo 805 amp.
I use my PS3 as a source.
So much so that I am thinking, would I get any benefit getting a SACD machine that outputs the DSD stream without converting to PCM first (which the Onkyo 805 will do a straight DSD->Analgoue conversion, with no PCM)??
Tough choice.
Wouldn't you then loose out as Audyssey ,I think ,only works in PCM mode?
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toddao said:
Wouldn't you then loose out as Audyssey ,I think ,only works in PCM mode?
Sorry, I may not have been clear. That was my poin - I love Audyssey so much; do I discard it in favour of DSD->Analogue conversion and no room correction, or do I stick to my PS3 and retain the PCM 96kHz signal so that I can continue using Audyssey's room correction??
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