Post by rammiepie March 31, 2009 (101 of 106)
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jakeroux said:
Knowing nothing about the author or the publication on the attached link, I offer it only in the interst of continuing to stir the pot on this subject. (active mischievousnees is a job hazard that comes with of being father to young boys, ages 4 and 7.)
http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue39/shmcd.htm
Thank you for sharing this link from Positive Feedback written by one Robert Levi in which he states that the SHM-CD remastering (circa 2008) was in EVERY way the equal of the 2002 remastering on SACD of Getz/Gilberto (on VERVE). Of course, 6-7 years separate the two releases and do we know if the same masters were utilized for both. Even the RB remasters of the VERVE catalog are a vast improvement over the older RB versions but I still look forward (and keep my fingers crossed) that Analogue Productions does mine the Verve catalog for SACD remasterings (as they have hinted at).
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Post by dobyblue April 2, 2009 (102 of 106)
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audioholik said:
do you mean blu-spec CD?
Absolutely not, that's a complete waste of time.
Sony sure can make some bone-headed decisions. Just look at the pathetic DualDisc releases they put out. I don't understand how one half of the team responsible for DSD/SACD suddenly starts releases all these "enhanced stereo" crap DualDiscs with 16/48PCM. What's the point in that?
No, I meant when the studios start releasing albums on Blu-ray Disc, not blu-spec CD. If all the labels would support SACD only releasing hybrid discs, that would be super-fantastic, but I just don't see Warner relenting on that whole format war. They already dropped HD DVD which they had plenty of patents in, I can't see them agreeing to move their music business away from something that's not lucrative for them and I'm pretty sure they don't hold any patents in SACD?
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Post by dobyblue April 2, 2009 (103 of 106)
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rammiepie said:
The only resurgence coming over the horizon is VINYL. It has definitely made a comeback. Just check out Acoustic Sounds upcoming releases......90% vinyl and some outrageous prices for a format which is NOT archival. Downloading WILL be the future and mostly 24/96 DVD-A. I have tried SHM-CD and Blu-Spec Cds and I'm NOT impressed.....a miniscule upgrade, at best...and to get back to the nature of this thread, it IS still an interesting site ..... but the release of new product in SACD (other than classical) IS ultimately VERY depressing.
This site is still interesting for those of us looking for the #1 source of SACD information. It's also the first site I recommend for those looking to get into SACD, because it's my experience across the forums I post on that there's always someone wants to know about a better audio experience and the links on this site are the handiest I've come across.
But it's good to see vinyl making a surge and Nielsen numbers show vinyl sales almost doubled last year. I've picked up about 50 records just since December, some faves that are only on vinyl or CD like Death Cab, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, etc.
I think the most depressing thing about SACD for me is that with popular music a lot of people that I know discovered it from around 2005 onwards, which was when popular music was starting to disappear completely. If they had really given popular releases an honest chance for another 3~4 years I think they could have captured enough of the market to make it profitable with the advent of sub-$200 universal players and HDMI output making everything so much simpler for the interested party.
Sad.
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Post by Ear April 2, 2009 (104 of 106)
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They are not interested in giving the format a real chance. Otherwise Sony would do more with it since they do not have to worry about licencing fees.
I am more and more convinced that they do not want Master Audio Sound Quality out there because that puts an end to their remaster of a remaster trick. The only thing they could make money with then would be special packaging stuff.
Vinyl is great but it has audible surface noise and that is just not great, even though nostalgic but over Earphones just not nice.
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Post by wolf359 April 2, 2009 (105 of 106)
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Ear said:
They are not interested in giving the format a real chance. Otherwise Sony would do more with it since they do not have to worry about licencing fees.
I am more and more convinced that they do not want Master Audio Sound Quality out there because that puts an end to their remaster of a remaster trick. The only thing they could make money with then would be special packaging stuff.
Vinyl is great but it has audible surface noise and that is just not great, even though nostalgic but over Earphones just not nice.
There used to be a film whose name escapes me in which the hero a scientist invented a material which never wore out. At first everyone was delighted but it lead to people being made redundant eventually the economy collapsed and everything went back to before the everlasting material was invented. I think of that when I read Ears comment.Someone invents a superior medium like SACD everyone is delighted at first and then reality sets in we have a very superior format but once its sold there is no remastered or better quality sales to make, but if you run it down you can reinvent the wheel by selling blue spec CDs and keep the sub standard re-issue program going. I came to SACD late and consequently have difficulty in getting the titles I want without remortaging my house. If one looks at the history of RBCD it was several years before it gained general acceptance and only then when cheap players and discs became widely available, even today there are plenty of people in the world who profess to like music and yet do not have a CD player and are quite content to put up with any old system. In various threads on this site I have argued long and hard against the cheap endless reissues and third rate remasters each claiming to be better than the last. The major record companies do not deserve to survive if they cannot give the public what they want i e new quality recordings of a variety of works rather than the same old tired remastered chestnuts over and over again . And not just in classical either only "safe" recordings appear in other genres nothing new or none mainstream. The companies will not take the risk or do anything but turn out the same product because its safe and protects the bottom line but that way lies stagnation and atrophy. If the current situation existed in the record industy in the past we would all be still listening to 78's. Sony have a record of leaving formats hanging without support UMD/Minidisc spring to mind. their corporate ethos seems to be to invent or support a format for a few years then switch to another format which means the buyer feels compelled to switch to thus selling the punter the old disc in a new guise.
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Post by Myrtone July 28, 2011 (106 of 106)
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Cherubino said:
Rather than embrace the incredible variety of music and performances available on SACD, RBCD and other sound carriers, as the standards for all kinds of things fall around us at an alarming rate, some strut and fret their hour on the stage lamenting that this, that or the other thing has never been, or never will be released on SACD. So much so that it seems SACD is actually the acronym for Super Angst Compact Disc. Leonard Cohen got it right, "you are locked into your suffering and your pleasures are the seal."
And still the Leonard Cohen discography is still not on SACD despite much of Bob Dylan's catalogue being available on SACD for many years, what are we going to do, lobby Sony music?
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