Post by Goodwood February 27, 2009 (21 of 35)
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I will keep this short. Bright?
As a rock/pop listener I see the future now as somewhat grim.
Telling me that the vast majority of content that I want, which has never made and likely will never make, it on SACD, will last forever is abstract to say the least.
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Post by hiredfox March 2, 2009 (22 of 35)
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Isn't it the case that the safest form of back-up you can have for your data is a physically encoded disc irrespective of the actual digital format used? Surely, commercial CD's and SACD's will always be far more robust and accurate than anything you can do at home through ripping. In any case, one suspects that most downloaders will not bother with such rigorous house-keeping standards as to actually bother to back-up any of their data.
One good lightning strike....
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I don't know about you, but I don't leave my computer on or plugged in when there's a lightning storm.
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michi said:
I'm not going to get too far into the fray of ripping -- i'm against it. And sick of the "Everything should be freeeeeeeeeeeee!" attitude.
That said, it's more possible than people think. And I've succeeded at doing some things that would make your jaw drop. (Playable DVD-R SACDs. No, not DSD Discs. SACDs. Created via DSDIFFs taken directly off of the DAC.) The PS3 route looks exceedingly more 'possible'.
... but have backed away a bit from some some goings-on over at PS3SACD.com for this reason:
I hope that SACD is never ripped until it is long, long "dead" in the manufacturers eyes.
I already have some Crest discs that are cracking along the hub that worry me as to their longevity.
But I agree with Paul, *MOST PEOPLE* are being disingenuous when they talk about this. If you want to transfer it to a portable player, use the hybrid layer or god forbid, go analog. But that's not the rationale for most. Most folks want to get it on a bittorrent for the world to download as fast as humanly possible because they want to 'stick it to the man'.
The companies that sell the material as downloads already have access to the raw files.
The fact that 99.9% of the people who would champion SACD ripping would just do it to have more cred on The Pirate Bay turns me off to further discussion of it.
That said, it is more possible than people think. And I know some other folks are working on it. But while MoFi and others are still releasing, I hope for all of our sake that they leave it alone.
We'll never see a DVD-A again for this reason. (Among others.)
Unfortunately, a lot of the folks with the "lol lets rip it then it'll be free" mentality, could care less about SQ, and would probably dump the things to Dolby Digital anyways. the 'ripping' aspect is just because they have an aversion to analog like garlic to a vampire. (Try even saying the word 'analog' to an 18 year old today. You'll get laughs and ridicule, immediately, as if you said the words 'adult diapers' or 'colostomy bag'.)
Telarc's "restructuring" is bad news. The dropping of the SACD (possibly) from the Black Sabbath Paranoid release is bad news. Wish You Were Here on SACD , we're one february from the last february and not a word.
SACD does not need a shove into the grave at this point.
This doesn't make a lot of sense to me. You have taken what off the DAC? Even if you used a Korg M1000 you'd still be capturing analog. Even using 2.8224 MHz @ 1-bit you are introducing two conversions into the mix (D>A and then A>D).
Maybe I misunderstood you. I can burn 24/96 vinyl archives onto DVD so I fail to see how SACD can be truly duplicated/backed up unless you can simply make a backup of the disc as it is a UDF DVD ?
DC
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Post by wolf359 June 13, 2009 (25 of 35)
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My take is slightly at varience with the title of this thread but fits in with the spirit. Back in 1990 I suffered a major burglary amongst the items taken were my enitre CD collection of around 1500 discs. Many of those were and are still irreplaceable being delted or OOP titles etc. Since then I have been gradually trying to get back some of the titles taken. With every purchase of an SACD/RBCD made I now rip the disc as a back up and save it on an external hard drive. That way if some villian takes my discs again or my computer is damaged or crashes I have at least have the core of my collection intact. Other than that I do not do downloads or put items in the public domain.
A young friend of mine is frequently the recpient of a disc of downloaded material frequently poorly recorded and without any details such as titles etc. Whenever I query this the response is well its free, its not forever and the record companies make too much money anyway.It is seen as a victimless crime a bit like dropping litter. The attitude is why should I pay full price for a CD which in a month or to will be the aural equivalent of old news is prevalent amongst the young and is one of the reasons why the record companies are in such dire straits. Buying and playing a record was an event nowadays it is a click on a mouse an everyday event and as such is completely devalued by many people.
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Post by junchoon June 14, 2009 (26 of 35)
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- info removed -
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junchoon said:
try pioneerfaq for getting some sacd players to output spdif
cheers,
wps
Give us a real link, please.
BTW, I have a modified Oppo player that will output PCM from SACD over S/PDIF. It is recordable, easily in 2 channel but it takes much greater effort for MCH.
Kal
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We've ripped the DSD information from SACD's for years at the request of labels/distributors (legally). It's not some great mystery. We even do 6 DSD files for MC.
Regards,
Bruce
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Post by zeus June 14, 2009 (29 of 35)
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DSD_Mastering said:
We've ripped the DSD information from SACD's for years at the request of labels/distributors. It's not some great mystery. We even do 6 DSD files for MC.
Please take this discussion offline.
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Post by junchoon June 14, 2009 (30 of 35)
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Kal Rubinson said:
Give us a real link, please.
BTW, I have a modified Oppo player that will output PCM from SACD over S/PDIF. It is recordable, easily in 2 channel but it takes much greater effort for MCH.
Kal
hi Kal,
i thought the website is rather obvious?
but i think i should not be providing info on this forum in regards to this sensitive issue, as zeus has pointed out. as such will remove my earlier post.
anyway, i will pm u thru another forum.
cheers,
wps
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