Thread: How many of you are - actually - SACD-ONLY buyers???

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Post by emaidel March 5, 2009 (301 of 321)
I'd love to purchase exclusively SACD's, but much of the music I look for just isn't available on it. I'm a member of the Spartanburg Festival Chorus in Spartanburg, SC, and we've performed a number of seldom-performed, and seldom-recorded works that I purchased on CD because they're not available anywhere on the SACD format. One is Ralph Vaughan William's "Hodie," a huge, splashy, very Hollywood-ish Christmas oratorio that would easily lend itself to a spectacular demonstration-quality SACD, and another is Randall Thomopson's "The Peaceable Kingdom," a purely acappella work that would also sound lovely on an SACD. So, I purchase the "lowly" redbook CD's of each. I like both of those CD's, and don't regard CD's as poorly as Theresa clearly does, but, boy!, would I love to hear this music on a BIS or Ondine SACD. That would be just wonderful!

Post by Arthur March 5, 2009 (302 of 321)
emaidel said:

I'd love to purchase exclusively SACD's, but much of the music I look for just isn't available on it. I'm a member of the Spartanburg Festival Chorus in Spartanburg, SC, and we've performed a number of seldom-performed, and seldom-recorded works that I purchased on CD because they're not available anywhere on the SACD format. One is Ralph Vaughan William's "Hodie," a huge, splashy, very Hollywood-ish Christmas oratorio that would easily lend itself to a spectacular demonstration-quality SACD, and another is Randall Thomopson's "The Peaceable Kingdom," a purely acappella work that would also sound lovely on an SACD. So, I purchase the "lowly" redbook CD's of each. I like both of those CD's, and don't regard CD's as poorly as Theresa clearly does, but, boy!, would I love to hear this music on a BIS or Ondine SACD. That would be just wonderful!

Ed:

You're lucky to be at a stage in life where you're still making those discoveries! I'm certainly not so doctrinaire as to say you should deprive yourself that joy a certain piece of music can give you, just because it's not on SACD.

But in my case, I've been collecting for almost 50 years, I have a CD collection of roughly 5000 discs, I've heard virtually every scrap Vaughan Williams wrote, and more Randall Thompson than I care to remember. I love Hodie, but I can't conceive of buying another recording of it, UNLESS it comes on SACD. If a piece comes along that I'm here-to-for unaware of, and that truly moves me, I will still buy it. But, frankly, that doesn't happen very often.

I recently got interested in Buxtehude, and I found 5 discs worth on SACD that have been keeping me very busy. When I was younger I would have felt a compulsive need to then buy every work Buxtehude ever wrote. (I virtually never put the time and energy into listening to them as I did with the recording that had initially spurred my interest.) But now I'm learning to be satisfied with a few works that I listen to more intensely. And frankly, I feel my experience has been enriched, not impoverished!

Bret

Post by emaidel March 6, 2009 (303 of 321)
I posted elesewhere, and quite a while back, that it was the CD medium that wound up developing my love for classical music. I always liked a number of classical "warhorses" like "The Sorcerer's Apprentice," or the "Firebird Suite," but on LP, the quiet passages of many a work were simply ruined by the incessant surface noise, snaps, crackles and pops of a typical vinyl pressing. When I played my very first CD and heard the orchestra come blaring forth out of a background of complete silence, I was instantly hooked.

The quality of CD's improved dramatically over the years, and I was a strong supporter of the Telarc label, since most Telarc recordings were very much those of "demonstration quality." I purchased (and, because of my position in the consumer electronics industry received many Telarc discs for free) just about anything on the label, and started to both learn, and appreciate the vast world of classical music.

While SACD's offer a still greater and more enjoyable listening experience, I've learned that I'm still not too old (I'm 64) to continue to learn about, and appreciate music I've not heard before, which includes "Hodie," and "The Peaceable Kingdon." I feel that my life has been enriched by these experiences, and hope that the SACD medium will only continue to reinforce that enrichment, Telarc duds notwithstanding.

Post by mahlerei March 6, 2009 (304 of 321)
emaidel said:

I posted elesewhere, and quite a while back, that it was the CD medium that wound up developing my love for classical music. I always liked a number of classical "warhorses" like "The Sorcerer's Apprentice," or the "Firebird Suite," but on LP, the quiet passages of many a work were simply ruined by the incessant surface noise, snaps, crackles and pops of a typical vinyl pressing. When I played my very first CD and heard the orchestra come blaring forth out of a background of complete silence, I was instantly hooked.

The quality of CD's improved dramatically over the years, and I was a strong supporter of the Telarc label, since most Telarc recordings were very much those of "demonstration quality." I purchased (and, because of my position in the consumer electronics industry received many Telarc discs for free) just about anything on the label, and started to both learn, and appreciate the vast world of classical music.

While SACD's offer a still greater and more enjoyable listening experience, I've learned that I'm still not too old (I'm 64) to continue to learn about, and appreciate music I've not heard before, which includes "Hodie," and "The Peaceable Kingdon." I feel that my life has been enriched by these experiences, and hope that the SACD medium will only continue to reinforce that enrichment, Telarc duds notwithstanding.

Hear, hear. Excellent post.

Post by fabiete April 26, 2009 (305 of 321)
bissie said:

Hello,

this is Robert from BIS, aka bissie.

In the current business climate even we have to look at bean-counting.

Since we release all our SACD:s as Hybrids and since we don't charge a premium, but absorb the extra costs for recording, editing, mastering and production of an SACD, selling at the same price as a RBCD,

*I would be extremely interested in knowing how many EXTRA copies we sell because of the SACD option.*

Mathematically, starting from the edited master tape, we need to sell some 600 EXTRA copies of the production in order to break even for the extra costs of producing the SACD, compared to releasing only a RBCD.

Question: do we do it? Since we don't have double inventory, there is no way for me to tell.

Obviously there are other factors as well: prestige, good-will, satisfaction with a superb product, but, when it comes to paying the salaries (BIS is nowadays probably the only classical company in the world with its own, full-time production staff - we have 7 producers/engineers hired that roam the 6 continents of the world recording with our own equipment) we need the green stuff.

So, since this would be the relevant Forum to ask something like that: how many of you, who do buy the occasional BIS SACD would abstain from doing so, were the identical programme to appear only as RBCD?

I think this is a relevant question to put, especially so, since many of my colleagues seemingly have made the same calculation - and then abandoned SACD.

Best - Robert

Hi Robert!
I have just seen this thread,
Especially for classical music, I try to buy only SACDs. I buy RBCDs only if I cannot find what I want in SACD.
In fact I regret there is almost no opera or any jazz in SACD format and I welcomed the SACD remastering of pop records I had when I was younger (Pink Floyd, Genesis, etc.) although I would really like to see much more.
All the BIS CDs I have are SACDs, by the way.
Cheers and please keep releasing SACDs.

Post by stuka May 23, 2009 (306 of 321)
Ever since my wife got me the SONY XA9000ES, I have not bought a single classical music in CD format, ONLY SACD.

Post by canonical May 23, 2009 (307 of 321)
Basically buying SACD only now ... over the last year, the ratio is 50 to 1 in favour of SACD.

Post by michi May 24, 2009 (308 of 321)
I don't buy only SACD; but I've gotta say that i'm much much less likely to buy if its not on SACD.

My numbers are probably 25:1 in favor of SACD. If I REALLY like the performance or recording, can't live without it, i'll begrudgingly get it on RBCD.

I'll say this though. I'm trying to get into classical and jazz-as long as its on SACD.(Formerly a pop/rock only kid). SACD has turned me on to broadening my horizons quite a bit. But, that said, I'm probably only going to be broadening them with SACD.

if BIS was releasing on SACD, and few other people are; chances are, i'll buy from BIS in the coming year. (Very good chance. And probably several titles. All it would take is a recommendation from someone.)

If you're a RBCD-only classical label, that chance is basically nil.

Post by sylvian June 17, 2009 (309 of 321)
Hello, I would say the same as previous members of this forum. I am buying mainly SACDs bit wish to complete my previous CD collection of the titles that certainly will not be on any hi-res within the rest of my life. I am impressed with almost every new release of the known piece of music that i have previously owned on RBCD. The improvement of the sonics is in most cases incredible and i also wish to thank other members for their contributions on this foruum,which had prevented me from buying crap....

best regards

Post by Michelten June 17, 2009 (310 of 321)
I've now been over a year with SACD, and have experienced the following:

1. After many years absent, I now sit again in my living room just to listen to music (!) as opposed to listening only in the car or ipod in the plane.

2. I refuse CD's - I don't buy them - I don't play them anymore, I find the sound irritating.

3. My ear has now refined to distinguish between PCM and DSD. I must admit that in my early days with SACD, I was barely able to discern - I think now I'd pass a blind test more than 75% likely, and my preference for DSD is starting to grow at an exponential rate - still I'll buy PCM SACD's... but thinking carefully about it.

4. SACD DSD sound on MCH has become somewhat of an addiction - I never ever experienced that with CD's or DVD's or Blu-ray or any other consumer technology in general. Now I have a "need" to hit my equipment at least twice a week besides the weekends (I am not a lucky retiree !)

5. All these preferences seem to continue growing, and I am now more demanding in upgrading equipment (speakers particularly). No signs at all of a decline in interest.

6. I rarely write in any blog - now, I ocasionally write in SA-CD-net. I like the mix writing on musical, technology and commercial subjects related to SACD.

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