Post by garthoz February 4, 2009 (251 of 321)
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Hi Robert (of BIS fame).
I address the question you asked in your original posting.
I am an incurable audiophile and now purchase only SACDs. I know they too can be of variable quality so I scan the reviews before I purchase.
But given the quality of my playback equipment and my quest for the best possible sound reprodustion I must now always look beyond red book CDs.
Your company's product has a good reputation for standard and availability here in Australia.
I have purchased the following from your catalogue:-
(In decreasing order of delight):-
1705/06
1616
1398
153901
1591
+(1701/02 will soon be on order)
The SACD recording techniques are a quantum advance in recorded sound and I find it hard to believe that others are not as excited as I am.
So, more power to you as you continue to entertain us in this way.
I ache to have more of my favorite classics and jazz available on SACD, but while I wait I'll keep scanning the reviews.
All the best and thanks,
GW
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I’m pretty new to SACD and have just recently discovered the format. I just purchased a couple of BIS recordings mainly because of the SACD format. In my case I would probably not have bought the recordings from BIS or from Opus3 if it wouldn’t have been for the SACD format.
Since it seems to be some sort of revival for pure 2-channel hifi systems, maybe this also will bring some more interest to the SACD format!?
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aristoteles said:
Since it seems to be some sort of revival for pure 2-channel hifi systems, maybe this also will bring some more interest to the SACD format!?
I'm afraid not -- contrary, it seems to bring more interest to snake oil solutions for improving RBCD like SHM-CD, Blu-spec CD, etc.
BTW I don't see interest in stereo so much as a revival, rather something that stubbornly refuses to go away. Meanwhile the hype (if there ever was any) around multichannel audio has faded somewhat while it hasn't yet achieved mass-market adoption, except for DVD movies.
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Post by Bobpaule February 10, 2009 (254 of 321)
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bissie said:
Hello,
this is Robert from BIS, aka bissie.
In the current business climate even we have to look at bean-counting.
Since we release all our SACD:s as Hybrids and since we don't charge a premium, but absorb the extra costs for recording, editing, mastering and production of an SACD, selling at the same price as a RBCD,
*I would be extremely interested in knowing how many EXTRA copies we sell because of the SACD option.*
Mathematically, starting from the edited master tape, we need to sell some 600 EXTRA copies of the production in order to break even for the extra costs of producing the SACD, compared to releasing only a RBCD.
Question: do we do it? Since we don't have double inventory, there is no way for me to tell.
Obviously there are other factors as well: prestige, good-will, satisfaction with a superb product, but, when it comes to paying the salaries (BIS is nowadays probably the only classical company in the world with its own, full-time production staff - we have 7 producers/engineers hired that roam the 6 continents of the world recording with our own equipment) we need the green stuff.
So, since this would be the relevant Forum to ask something like that: how many of you, who do buy the occasional BIS SACD would abstain from doing so, were the identical programme to appear only as RBCD?
I think this is a relevant question to put, especially so, since many of my colleagues seemingly have made the same calculation - and then abandoned SACD.
Best - Robert
Proudly SACD only, OK i listen to MP3 station a lot on my Roku players, and 192kHz music via the Octoshape plugin with OxygenHD sound cards and digital audio.
My CDs are catching dust in one of the 3 Sony ES changers, those are from an earlier era.
The future looks bright, esp with BD-Audio picking up.
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Post by Michelten February 21, 2009 (255 of 321)
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bissie said:
Hello,
this is Robert from BIS, aka bissie.
In the current business climate even we have to look at bean-counting.
Since we release all our SACD:s as Hybrids and since we don't charge a premium, but absorb the extra costs for recording, editing, mastering and production of an SACD, selling at the same price as a RBCD,
*I would be extremely interested in knowing how many EXTRA copies we sell because of the SACD option.*
Mathematically, starting from the edited master tape, we need to sell some 600 EXTRA copies of the production in order to break even for the extra costs of producing the SACD, compared to releasing only a RBCD.
Question: do we do it? Since we don't have double inventory, there is no way for me to tell.
Obviously there are other factors as well: prestige, good-will, satisfaction with a superb product, but, when it comes to paying the salaries (BIS is nowadays probably the only classical company in the world with its own, full-time production staff - we have 7 producers/engineers hired that roam the 6 continents of the world recording with our own equipment) we need the green stuff.
So, since this would be the relevant Forum to ask something like that: how many of you, who do buy the occasional BIS SACD would abstain from doing so, were the identical programme to appear only as RBCD?
I think this is a relevant question to put, especially so, since many of my colleagues seemingly have made the same calculation - and then abandoned SACD.
Best - Robert
Hello Robert,
I bought my first SACD about a year and 1/2 ago.
Ever since, I no longer buy CD's and have told family and friends to NOT buy me CD's as presents - furthermore I no longer listen to my old CD's (I should say I still listen my ipod classic loaded with all my CD collection).
SACD sound is simply addictive.
In short I would never buy anything you release as RBCD, no matter what the content be.
I would strongly encourage you carry on and expand SACD production at BIS
By the way, the Brautigam Piano Sonatas are absolutely wonderful. Thank you very much to be releasing such a wonderful set.
Question: Why do you still master in PCM? It would be wonderful if BIS would produce just within DSD domain from master, editing to final mix.
Best Regards. Miguel (michelten@hotmail.com)
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Post by AELK February 22, 2009 (256 of 321)
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Michelten said:
SACD sound is simply addictive.
In short I would never buy anything you release as RBCD, no matter what the content be.
I would strongly encourage you carry on and expand SACD production at BIS
Question: Why do you still master in PCM? It would be wonderful if BIS would produce just within DSD domain from master, editing to final mix.
Dear MICHELTEN,
If I told BIS Records already do mastering in DSD some time ago, but have returned to PCM you will not believe !
I agree with you, good SACDs are so beautiful they are addictive. But I still hear my 16/44CDs to remember how they are bad (joke) (maybe).
The BIS repertoire is really good.
Me too, I do not want regular CDs nor as gift, it is too unrefined and really a small window for the music (16bits/44khz).
The only good thing of the regular CDs is that they do not allow MultiCt sound.
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Post by tssfulk February 22, 2009 (257 of 321)
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SACD only for me too. I will gladly pay a little more for quality products. I will not pay much for a regular CD (It needs to be on sale for 10 SEK, a 1 SEK more than 1 song on iTunes--weird Naxos 20th century CDs are good to find this way).
Keep producing SACDs. Let the bean counters figure out a way to make a profit from them.
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Post by dax44 February 24, 2009 (258 of 321)
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yep here too - my CDs are pretty much locked away - they only come out from time to time to test a new DAC always in vain
but despite that I am not really an SACD only buyer - I also buy vinyl, more than ever in fact .. and then record them to DSD !
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AELK said:
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If I told BIS Records already do mastering in DSD some time ago, but have returned to PCM you will not believe !
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The only good thing of the regular CDs is that they do not allow MultiCt sound.
AELK,
Thank you for your comments on my text. Two observations:
a) As Bissi hasn't replied (I'd be really curious to know his answer), why in your opinion BIS do not do DSD mastering, and as you say, have returned back to PCM?
b) Not sure I understand your last comment: what is "MultiCt" sound?. Hopefully you don't mean multichannel, as I am of the opinion that MultiCh is a great feature of SACD, which enables re-create the original acoustics where 2Ch stereo doesn't.
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Post by AELK March 1, 2009 (260 of 321)
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Michelten said:
Dear MICHELTEN,
BIS have returned to recording in PCM some time ago ( I do not know when), maybe BISSIE have announced in this site, I feel.
YES, this is multi channel sound in general ( 4.0, 5.1, 7.1, 10.1 etc) because I Love Dipole Stereo Speakers, mainly FULL RANGE DIPOLE ( No CrossOver, No Box).
Stereo system is bad or less good, when the speakers are cheap or monopole (Boxed, firing sound only to front).
When the Stereo speakers are of good quality the performance is the best avaliable to find today (2009), who said this is not me, but Dr.Siegfried Linkwitz ( * 1935 ), the greatest man on CrossOvers on all Audio.
IMHO a FullRange Dipole Stereo Speakers is a serius upgrade to a ultimate, final musical Nirvana, ( what can be better than a Dipole FullRange driver ? ).
http://www.linkwitzlab.com
P.S. : If you continue to like Multi, that OK for me. The important is the music herself, and some music lovers are not demanding on Audio equipment.
P.S.2: For more info, please read the Profile in this Site of my friend in Brazil FullRangeMan. Any doubt no hesitate in ask me.
Sincerely, Alan
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