Thread: What receiver should I buy?

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Post by Kapharios August 26, 2011 (21 of 51)
Hi, I have a Sony Sony SCD-CE595 and trying to figure out how to connect it to an Onkyo TX-NR509 using the 6 multichannel analog audio connections. ANy help is appreciated!!

Post by Kal Rubinson August 26, 2011 (22 of 51)
Kapharios said:

Hi, I have a Sony Sony SCD-CE595 and trying to figure out how to connect it to an Onkyo TX-NR509 using the 6 multichannel analog audio connections. ANy help is appreciated!!

Umm.... 6 analog interconnects? The Onkyo does not have an input for that. These are really incompatible components as the Sony lacks an HDMI output and the Onkyo lacks MCH analog inputs.

Kal

Post by Kapharios August 27, 2011 (23 of 51)
Thanks. Would you recommend a receiver?

Post by Kal Rubinson August 27, 2011 (24 of 51)
Kapharios said:

Thanks. Would you recommend a receiver?

Just move up the Onkyo line until you find one with MCH analog inputs. OTOH, that means you are buying a new AVR to compensate for your older disc player. A newer disc player with HDMI and an AVR with HDMI is the way to go.

Kal

Post by Fitzcaraldo215 August 27, 2011 (25 of 51)
Kal Rubinson said:

Just move up the Onkyo line until you find one with MCH analog inputs. OTOH, that means you are buying a new AVR to compensate for your older disc player. A newer disc player with HDMI and an AVR with HDMI is the way to go.

Kal

Kal - good advice, as always. Onkyo/Integra are fine as is Denon. I also recommend that you get one contailing at least the MultEQ XT (not just MultEQ) level of Audyssey. My neighbor is getting a $650 Denon with Audyssey MultEQ XT. Onkyo/Integra has anounced similar models and they may be available now.

Post by Kapharios August 27, 2011 (26 of 51)
Thanks both for your great advice! What about Onkyo tx nr 709?

Post by Kal Rubinson August 27, 2011 (27 of 51)
Kapharios said:

Thanks both for your great advice! What about Onkyo tx nr 709?

You can go to Onkyo's website as easily as the rest of us and see that this, too, does not have a multichannel analog input.

Kal

Post by Kapharios August 27, 2011 (28 of 51)
Kal Rubinson said:

You can go to Onkyo's website as easily as the rest of us and see that this, too, does not have a multichannel analog input.

Kal

Ok, I think ONKYO must be playing a prank on us. I checked the manual for the tx-nr709 and it says it DOES have multichannel input. Here's the link

http://filedepot.onkyousa.com/Files/own_manuals/SN29400698_TX-NR709_En_web.pdf?CFID=1699429&CFTOKEN=44595038&jsessionid=f030f1a8ae838ee095da3661284959125c26

but you're right, in the FEATURES table of their website "multichannel inputs" appears unchecked...

Post by Kal Rubinson August 27, 2011 (29 of 51)
You are, indeed, correct. The summary listing is incorrect and the back panel is cryptically labeled "BD/DVD." That will do.

Kal

Post by Fitzcaraldo215 August 27, 2011 (30 of 51)
Osbert Parsley said:

I know many (including Kal) say that conversion of the DSD to PCM is necessary if you want to use such things as Audyssey to balance and improve the in-room effect of the surround-sound from the speakers, but it would be interesting to those of us who prefer to tweak the room rather than the system to get the best sound experience.

The refusal of the audio manufacturers to be transparent about such issues as this is one factor that I believe has hampered a broad adoption of SACD across the music-listening market.

Without trying to start an argument, I believe the conversion from DSD to PCM is quite benign and insignificant and has not as you say, "hampered a broad adoption of SACD." My own system is capable of going either way. I have found no killer sonic advantages in pure DSD, and there are numerous really big disadvantages in use of the pure DSD mode.

It's not just about Audyssey, which does indeed have huge sonic advantages. It's also about speaker (unequal) distance compensation and digital bass management, neither of which can be done in pure DSD - not in the player and not in the processor/AVR. If your room can accomodate 5 identical, equidistant full range speakers, without needing a subwoofer, only then is Mch pure DSD doable without compromise. And, that can get quite expensive. Have I heard a pure DSD system that stood head and shoulders above all else? I have heard some very good ones, one better in some ways than my own. But, frankly the answer for me is no, and I have no plans to embark on a system change to radically pure DSD.

If it's pure DSD only in stereo that you want, many players will provide pure-DSD stereo analog output that any AVR will accept and play without PCM conversion. But, analog inputs to a receiver are quite often not without their own considerable sonic compromises. Any supposed advantages of pure DSD may get drowned out by the mediocre quality of those analog inputs.

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