Post by ramesh November 20, 2007 (101 of 161)
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How many CDs will Fischer release on Decca per year?
Consider how many J Jensen has released on DEcca, Suwanai on Philips, Hahn on DG, divided by the number of years they have been with Punyversal.
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Post by Livy November 20, 2007 (102 of 161)
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Windsurfer said:
Darn straight - if she has to leave PentaTone, lets hope she gets a lot of money for her "betrayal" of the noble undertaking represented by PentaTone, BIS, Telarc, etc.
Mallinson was one of the few subsequent producers to deserve a place beside Culshaw et. al. He is way too young to be one of the creators of what you call the Decca mythos. He however was one of those whose work helped keep it alive.
Short term vs Long Term: You like putting words in peoples mouths! I never said anything about suspension of operations - and of course all this from each of us is speculation in the absence of reliable testimony from someone connected to the concerned parties - but I do believe it was more a matter of "inconvenience" rather than a matter of profit.
Hybrid sacds could (at the right price) still be economic for the Universal Studios labels to market. You seem dead set against recognizing that idea. As to Hyperion, you know they are in a tight pinch due to loosing that law suit regarding copyright ... and yet they are continuing to release (albeit at a slower rate) SACDs. Why? Commitment to a principle which is obviously lacking now at Decca, Philips and DG. This difference can be characterized by commitment to maximization of short term profit on the one hand and commitment to producing the finest recordings possible on the other.
I can't understand your thinking. You call Julia's departure a "betrayal", but at the same time hope that she reaps a great financial benefit from it? Either you can't bring yourself to hammer Julia Fischer for being a "sell-out" or something similar or you're being intellectually dishonest with yourself.
If I felt that her move to Decca was a "betrayal", I can't imagine why I would simultaneously hope that she makes a financial "killing" out of it.
Yes, there's no "commitment" at DG or Philips or Decca - Grimaud, Salonen, Chailly, Muti, Argerich, Brendel - all these artists' discs are the result of short-term profit principles of business.
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Post by Peter November 20, 2007 (103 of 161)
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Livy said:
I can't understand your thinking. You call Julia's departure a "betrayal", but at the same time hope that she reaps a great financial benefit from it? Either you can't bring yourself to hammer Julia Fischer for being a "sell-out" or something similar or you're being intellectually dishonest with yourself.
If I felt that her move to Decca was a "betrayal", I can't imagine why I would simultaneously hope that she makes a financial "killing" out of it.
Surely you can wish someone all the best despite their disappointing decisions?
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Peter said:
Surely you can wish someone all the best despite their disappointing decisions?
That's right! I don't have any problem with that at all! It is in my nature, I think!
Thanks Peter!
Yes, I certainly will continue to travel hundreds of miles to attend her concerts. I will continue to advocate to others that they give her a listen!
But none of that keeps me from expressing my annoyance at Decca's having poached her from what I think is the finest recording organization on the planet!
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Livy said:
Yes, there's no "commitment" at DG or Philips or Decca - Grimaud, Salonen, Chailly, Muti, Argerich, Brendel - all these artists' discs are the result of short-term profit principles of business.
Obviously their business model is to grab up the finest artists in the world. But there is no commitment to giving these artists the sound quality they deserve!
The sad thing is that they really don't seem to give a hoot concerning the sound quality they provide! (ramesh calls them "punyversal") Listen to Yundi Li's new Chopin disc.
What a travesty! And that is altogether beside the point that they aren't providing multi-channel hi res recordings in the form of sacds.
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Post by Livy November 20, 2007 (106 of 161)
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Windsurfer said:
That's right! I don't have any problem with that at all! It is in my nature, I think!
Thanks Peter!
Yes, I certainly will continue to travel hundreds of miles to attend her concerts. I will continue to advocate to others that they give her a listen!
But none of that keeps me from expressing my annoyance at Decca's having poached her from what I think is the finest recording organization on the planet!
I think you're blinded in some way by Julia Fischer. Decca didn't hold a gun to her head and make her go with them, she went voluntarily.
I think it's hilarious that you will still support her, traveling hundreds of miles to attend her concerts, all the while blaming the prostitute instead of the cheating spouse for the breakup of the marriage.
I think there's something about her that has blinded you to the fact that it was _her_ decision to leave Pentatone and that that has likely not helped the SA-CD cause. She may be blinded by Decca's money and prestige - what's inhibiting you from seeing the situation as it truly is?
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Post by Livy November 20, 2007 (107 of 161)
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Peter said:
Surely you can wish someone all the best despite their disappointing decisions?
Really? So, for example, when an executive makes a decision to sell a company and hundreds of people's jobs are affected, you'd be the one saying "Although I'm going to be laid off, I sincerely hope you get a good price."?
"Well-wishes" depend on the impact of those decisions. If your interest is in supporting the growth of classical SA-CD sales, I think you'd want to tell Julia Fischer that her choice was a bad one, perhaps urging her to reconsider or to return home, so to speak. If you're interest is in allowing Julia to pursue her career as she sees fit, I think you all need to stop hammering Decca.
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Post by Livy November 20, 2007 (108 of 161)
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Windsurfer said:
Obviously their business model is to grab up the finest artists in the world. But there is no commitment to giving these artists the sound quality they deserve!
The sad thing is that they really don't seem to give a hoot concerning the sound quality they provide! (ramesh calls them "punyversal") Listen to Yundi Li's new Chopin disc.
What a travesty! And that is altogether beside the point that they aren't providing multi-channel hi res recordings in the form of sacds.
Please tell me how a RBCD recorded using 24-bit technology doesn't measure up to what one of these artists "deserves"?
Ramesh appears to be a truly innovative fabricator of linguistic portmanteaux, but I don't really know why his characterization should carry any weight with me or anyone else for that matter.
A travesty? Does it really rise to that level? Perhaps we should consider litigating this matter at the International Court of Justice in the Hague...
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Post by Peter November 20, 2007 (109 of 161)
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Livy said:
Really? So, for example, when an executive makes a decision to sell a company and hundreds of people's jobs are affected, you'd be the one saying "Although I'm going to be laid off, I sincerely hope you get a good price."?
This is irrelevant.
""Well-wishes" depend on the impact of those decisions. If your interest is in supporting the growth of classical SA-CD sales, I think you'd want to tell Julia Fischer that her choice was a bad one, perhaps urging her to reconsider or to return home, so to speak."
I do not understand your logic above. And you seem to presume what I have or haven't done.
"If you're interest is in allowing Julia to pursue her career as she sees fit, I think you all need to stop hammering Decca."
Decca was at the forefront for many years in promoting sound quality at its highest level, alas no longer. The Decca of today is not the company it used to be; perhaps the name ought to be allowed to die peacefully. I'll certainly continue to push for higher standards, or hammer as you put it, in my own way.
While her decision is disappointing to me as, unless Decca reverses its decision to abandon SACD, I will miss listening to her violin in high-resolution sound, I nonetheless wish her well, however contradictory this may seem to you.
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Post by hotmifi November 20, 2007 (110 of 161)
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Funny world: nobody really knows what's going on yet, no official statements with plans from any side and a lot of unashamed Julia Fischer bashing in this thread.
Why didn't people come up with some PentaTone bashing here instead? Or some form of PentaTone petition demanding better treatment of their top artist? Not that I am claiming here their past treatment was good or bad. But why - when wild guessing is on anyway - couldn't PentaTone (and not Decca or Julia Fischer) be the root of the problem? Especially considering a quote from one of her interviews when connecting with PentaTone: "I could very well imagine also not to make studio recordings again at a later point in time."
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