Thread: Discussion: Dutoit/Montreal Recordings from early 1980's?

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Post by sacd_fan_2007 October 7, 2007 (1 of 11)
Dear Forum:

Does anybody know if there are plans to transfer to SACD/Hybrid-SACD the great Charles Dutoit/Montreal Symphony Orchestra recordings released in the early 1980's on Decca? These include the major orchestral works of Ravel, De Falla and Debussy as well as the Roman Trilogy of Respighi.

Post by Claude October 7, 2007 (2 of 11)
Hi,

This is extremely unlikely, as Universal Classics doesn't seem to have any plans to release further SACDs, and it would not make sense to reissue 16bit/44kHz PCM stereo recordings on SACD.

I like Dutoit's Ravel and Falla recordings too. It least as far as Ravel is concerned, there are plenty of alternatives available on SACD.

Post by sacd_fan_2007 October 7, 2007 (3 of 11)
Claude said:

Hi,

This is extremely unlikely, as Universal Classics doesn't seem to have any plans to release further SACDs, and it would not make sense to reissue 16bit/44kHz PCM stereo recordings on SACD.

I like Dutoit's Ravel and Falla recordings too. It least as far as Ravel is concerned, there are plenty of alternatives available on SACD.

I didn't realize that the original masters were of generic digital quality as the recordings on cd sounded pretty good for their time. It's too bad that Univeral Classics isn't supporting SACD. With the popularity of HD for video, I'm surprised that HD audio formats aren't catching on. I guess that's the price consumers are paying for the format war.

Post by toddao October 8, 2007 (4 of 11)
I thought that a lot of Decca's early digital(which would include some of these recordings) were 18 bit and at a higher sampling rate than what became the red book standard. Also the acoustics of St Eustache were a bonus whatever the recording standard used. I would love to see these recordings on SACD but won't hold my breath.

Post by deckerm October 8, 2007 (5 of 11)
sacd_fan_2007 said:

Dear Forum:

Does anybody know if there are plans to transfer to SACD/Hybrid-SACD the great Charles Dutoit/Montreal Symphony Orchestra recordings released in the early 1980's on Decca? These include the major orchestral works of Ravel, De Falla and Debussy as well as the Roman Trilogy of Respighi.

I agree. I was a classical store manager at Sound Warehouse back then and a serious Dutoit junkie. Everything he touched seemed to be gold.

Post by Orpheus October 8, 2007 (6 of 11)
deckerm said:

I agree. I was a classical store manager at Sound Warehouse back then and a serious Dutoit junkie. Everything he touched seemed to be gold.

In general I agree with you but I wouldn't say everything that Dutoit did then was good. In his Holst Planets the engineers made some things too prominent at times (much to the delight of bass junkies). BTW, I have seen Dutoit conducting many times and I greatly respect his conducting and it would be nice to have him rerecord all this repertoire for SACD but I don't foresee this happening.

Post by seth October 8, 2007 (7 of 11)
Orpheus said:

In general I agree with you but I wouldn't say everything that Dutoit did then was good. In his Holst Planets the engineers made some things too prominent at times (much to the delight of bass junkies). BTW, I have seen Dutoit conducting many times and I greatly respect his conducting and it would be nice to have him rerecord all this repertoire for SACD but I don't foresee this happening.

Almost all Decca recordings from the '80s strike me as very engineered, but at least they're not as wishy-washy as just about every other labels' early digital recordings tended to sound.

Dutoit will be conducting in Philadelphia full time for four years starting next season -- hopefully some recordings will come from that.

Post by mwagner1962 October 8, 2007 (8 of 11)
sacd_fan_2007 said:

Dear Forum:

Does anybody know if there are plans to transfer to SACD/Hybrid-SACD the great Charles Dutoit/Montreal Symphony Orchestra recordings released in the early 1980's on Decca? These include the major orchestral works of Ravel, De Falla and Debussy as well as the Roman Trilogy of Respighi.

HA...waiting for Universal to release anymore SACDs??? Why would they release any of the Duthoit when there are miles of killer analog tape with Solti and CSO/LSO/LPO, Bonynge, Mehta, Ashkenazy, Sutherland, Pavarotti etc???

I bet that Decca's engineers from the golden years (Wilkenson, Parry, Raeburn and others) are all rolling in their graves at seeing how far Decca has fallen...

Cheers,

Post by Orpheus October 9, 2007 (9 of 11)
seth said:

Almost all Decca recordings from the '80s strike me as very engineered, but at least they're not as wishy-washy as just about every other labels' early digital recordings tended to sound.

Dutoit will be conducting in Philadelphia full time for four years starting next season -- hopefully some recordings will come from that.

"Very engineered" CDs continued on to today, such as DGs 4D CDs.

The news about Dutoit is welcome as based on the one SACD that I have of Eschenbach conducting he needs to be replaced. I hope that we get some good SACDs from Dutoit when he starts in Philadelphia.

Post by jdaniel@jps.net October 10, 2007 (10 of 11)
I'm a big Dutoit fan as well, luckily, most of his early Decca/London work came out on Lp, with the extra upper octaves and clearer, fleshed-out bass that CD can't resolve. Get yourself a $125 Technics turntable and an $89 Shure cartridge. His records, some even sealed, might run you up to .29 cents. I'm so glad Dutoit is coming to Philadelphia. Could it be a sensual golden age similar to the Ansermet era?

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