Post by stvnharr September 22, 2009 (811 of 4131)
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bissie said:
But my dear Philip,
surely you cannot seriously be asking that question? This thread is about sampling frequencies, isn't it?
Well, for those with tin ears, the BIS-SACD-1728 will be released within the next couple of weeks and contains the Medtner 2nd PC, coupled with Rach 4 PC, original version.
Yevgeny Sudbin, the North Carolina SO under Grant Llewellyn are making their level best to trick you into forgetting the abysmal sound. But of course they won't succeed.
Best - Robert
Robert,
In early August I was fortunate to hear Yevgeny play Rach 1 in concert with Osmo Vanska conducting. Pretty fabulous!!!
Nice to have the Rach 4/Medtner disc coming so soon.
Steve
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Post by rich121 September 22, 2009 (812 of 4131)
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DSD said:
Come to a site? I have visited sa-cd.net daily since Stephen began the site, first to check for new releases, then to see it any of my SACDs on my want list are on sale anywhere and then to the forum. I am here always. What is this about coming to a site?
It's more like dead and very boring over at the Hi-Rez Highway at AA. I read it every day, except for some MOD threads it is getting as slow as DVD Audiobaun. There is even a thread about how sad the SACD release situation is here on sa-cd.net which I resent greatly as there are new SACD releases every single day! And how we all feel SACD is dead which could not be further from the truth, it is true many of us worry about the future of SACD, but we are not doomsayers.
Wow...
and not even a comparison to your website...
"SACD Lives" was Dead On Arrival!!!
20 registered members, including you...(and however many that you created yourself) wow!
Teresa...you claim to have thousands of "followers"...then why are there so few that have signed up to your website?
If you are so "all knowing" and "Messiah"
Where are your followers?????
Teresa, ...
Remember when you used the moniker "defendteresa" on HiRes (after you were banned) and you pretended to be Chinese, with your so obvious Teresa style chopped English?
Pathetic!
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Post by DSD September 23, 2009 (813 of 4131)
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rich121 said:
Wow...
and not even a comparison to your website...
"SACD Lives" was Dead On Arrival!!!
20 registered members, including you...(and however many that you created yourself) wow!
Teresa...you claim to have thousands of "followers"...then why are there so few that have signed up to your website?
If you are so "all knowing" and "Messiah"
Where are your followers?????
Teresa, ...
Remember when you used the moniker "defendteresa" on HiRes (after you were banned) and you pretended to be Chinese, with your so obvious Teresa style chopped English?
Pathetic!
There are 19 real members besides myself on the Pro SACD forum, I do not sock puppet anywhere, ever, on any site anywhere in the history of the Internet. NEVER! And I never will.
"Defendteresa" WAS NOT ME! But someone who cared enough to defend me against the crime commented by the Audio Asylum against me, you were one of the bullies that caused the Audio Asylum to violate their own rules and reprimand the attacked instead of the attackers. You yourself are one of the biggest trouble makers I have ever seen on the Internet, why are you trying to start trouble here? What is your goal? What is your aim? Perhaps the destruction of the one thing I care the most about: SACD?
Come clean and reveal your true intentions. You are a bald faced liar and you owe me and everyone who loves SACD an apology.
Also Stephen please delete rich121's lies along with my response. I cannot believe anyone on Planet Earth would behave as poorly as rich121 on multiple websites he infests.
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Post by aoqd22 September 23, 2009 (814 of 4131)
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Sorry to cut in but I am getting rather fed up of posts on this thread that really do not belong here. I thought the idea was for this thread and similar ones to be used to talk to the representives of labels about new SACD releases etc.
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Post by Petrus  September 23, 2009 (815 of 4131)
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For some reason some SACD advocates (and some other high-end nuts) remind me of the "Church" of Scientology and their fancy looking E-meter costing $4650. Inside it actually is a simple $50 resistance meter + 2 tin cans.
Religion is religion, no matter in which form. There is no way to have constructive discusion with those people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-meter
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Another thought: I just bought a SPL meter and calibrated my monitors to standard film industry -20 dBFS at 83 dB SLP levels. That means 103 dB SPL peaks in theory. As my controller (Crane Song Avocet) has precise volume steps I could easily measure that my loudest listening levels reach only 105 dB SLP (C-curve, slow response, levels slightly above the standard). The noise floor in the listening room was 30 dB SPL (C slow), which is quite quiet. That gives only 75 dB usable dynamic range, maybe 80.
That means that even 16 bit resolution properly implemented is enough for me, even with the 1400 W active monitoring system I use.
I can safely continue listening my CDs...
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Post by Petrus September 23, 2009 (816 of 4131)
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You were fast, Arnaldo!
After I downloaded 24/96 files from Linn and 2L I analyzed them with Adobe Audition which has wery nice frequency analysis tools.
2L files looked as they should, the high frequences reached past 22 kHz to about 35 kHz, limited in part by the microphone and mostly by the diminishing sound content up there (Mozart chambre pieces). The frequency spectrum goes slowly down on all insruments quite similarily, even on organ recordings (they reach to about 30 kHz in my own recordings with mics reaching to 60 kHz).
In the Linn samples there was no musical content above 20 kHz, only a steady, rising noise floor up to the limit of 48 kHz. It was there even when the band was not playing (also mostly violin chambre music).
I called a well known sound engineer who does well recieved organ SACDs among other things and he said "Ah, that is the dark secret of SACD, the original was DSD". Meaning that there is no high frequences past 22 kHz as the space is needed for noise shaping. He is doing SACD only for the surround, not sound quality reasons (post on another forum).
DSD has high dynamic range and high frequency resolution, BUT NOT AT THE SAME TIME. Without noise shaping the frequency range extends to 100 kHz, but the dynamic range falls below that of RBCS already at 10 kHz. With noise shaping the dynamic range problem can be fixed, but high frequeces are lost.
I can not tell DSD apart form RBCD (or 24 from good 16 bits), but surround is nice to have.
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Post by audioholik September 23, 2009 (817 of 4131)
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Petrus said:
I can not tell DSD apart form RBCD (or 24 from good 16 bits), but surround is nice to have.
so you don't hear the difference between 24bit and 16bit and between 64x44,1kHz and 44,1kHz and you're just a multichannel fan, am I correct?
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Post by Peter September 23, 2009 (818 of 4131)
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The Rotterdam Philharmonic orchestra and Yannick Nézet-Séguin have signed a contract with BIS records, I'm told, for four recordings, including some Berlioz.
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Post by mahlerei September 23, 2009 (819 of 4131)
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Peter said:
The Rotterdam Philharmonic orchestra and Yannick Nézet-Séguin have signed a contract with BIS records, I'm told, for four recordings, including some Berlioz.
That is good news. I wonder what the Berlioz will be? A Te Deum on SACD would be very welcome :)
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Post by tailspn September 23, 2009 (820 of 4131)
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Petrus said:
DSD has high dynamic range and high frequency resolution, BUT NOT AT THE SAME TIME. Without noise shaping the frequency range extends to 100 kHz, but the dynamic range falls below that of RBCS already at 10 kHz. With noise shaping the dynamic range problem can be fixed, but high frequeces are lost.
Actually, that's not correct. You’ve got the theory right in that the dynamic range is reduced as the frequency increases due to noise shaping, but the effect has no practical relevance. A noise shaped DSD signal, at low frequencies, has in excess of 120dB of dynamic range, and that reduces to better than 90dB at 20 KHz. At 100 KHz the dynamic range is still better than 40db. The relevance is where the energy of the music signal lies. Most of the energy lies below 5 KHz, with only a few percent, if that, around 20 KHz, where there is still 90+dB dynamic range. There is no recorded music energy at 100 KHz, yet there’s still 40+dB of dynamic range to handle it.
http://tech.juaneda.com/en/articles/dsd.pdf
http://www.diyaudio.org.ua/download/file.php?id=242
Even Stanley Lipshitz didn't say 1-bit/DSD was as bad as you imply..LOL
Tom
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