Post by Hitters October 12, 2013 (3471 of 4131)
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Chris said:
I say once again what I said regarding "Seascapes" if all recordings of classical music were so well recorded as this one,we wouldn't need to discuss SQ anymore,just enjoy the music!
Just like Chris says I find this recording (SEASCAPES) to be ideal. The overall balance and the timbres of the different instruments sound just as they should. Nothing sounds forced. A marvel.
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Post by bissie October 12, 2013 (3472 of 4131)
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Dear Chris,
The Martin Fröst new Mozart disc (Concerto 24/44,1 - rest 24/96) has been out there for a while now, both physically and digitally.
You sid that you were going to give me/us some feedback of the differences between this one and the 8 years old, DSD recording of the Concerto, from the sound point of view.
I still can hear no difference in basic sound quality (different halls and orchestras, though) between the two versions, so please explain to me wherein they lie. Try to be specific, so I know what to try to hear.
Best - Robert
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Post by Chris October 12, 2013 (3473 of 4131)
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bissie said:
Dear Chris,
The Martin Fröst new Mozart disc (Concerto 24/44,1 - rest 24/96) has been out there for a while now, both physically and digitally.
You sid that you were going to give me/us some feedback of the differences between this one and the 8 years old, DSD recording of the Concerto, from the sound point of view.
I still can hear no difference in basic sound quality (different halls and orchestras, though) between the two versions, so please explain to me wherein they lie. Try to be specific, so I know what to try to hear.
Best - Robert
Dear Robert,
thank you for your interest in my opinion.But, didn't you earlier say:? "I think the new recording is so good that it will crush the old one". And now you say you hear no difference between them? I am fairly certain I said that I may be tempted to,and I still might be.
But since I am basically just back from 16 days in Greece and with my internet connection in the countryside,knocked out by a seasonally completely unexpected thunderstorm ,I Have so far only listened to some parts of the Mozart Concerto via an excellent download site,whose name I am afraid I can't quote here,but not downloaded it.
Musically very good is all I can say so far,but then again,so is the excellent pure DSD recording which I am very happy to own.
I am currently only on a slow wi fi connection.
And I am flying to Singapore early next week so my feedback may or may not, come later.
So please bear with me.
This time,I'll be away from home until mid December.
I hate Sweden in November!
This October weekend is brilliant though,with sun and stunning autumn colours in the countryside where I live.
But if you are really and genuinely interested in what to focus on regarding 24/44.1 versus 24/96,meanwhile,I paste this short but quite informative quote from the review of your recent Britten release also recorded both at 24/44.1 and 24/96, which according to Geohominid:
"is a useful disc for checking if you can recognise the difference when played on your system! In 96/24, their sound becomes smoother,more rounded and has deeper sonority and acoustic response."
I couldn't have said it better myself.
He sums up what I too keep hearing over and over again as obvious differences not only on recordings from BIS but other labels too between 24/44.1 and 24/96.
And imho with everything else being equal the step from 24/96 to DSD brings even more of that sonority and acoustic response and realism to the sound as on your truly wonderful Mozart SACD 1263 for example.
Or for an example of the very latest SOTA DSD CC's recent Mahler 5.
PS I will check if they have any BIS SACDs at the Esplanade next week.
Best Chris
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Post by juenh77 October 12, 2013 (3474 of 4131)
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I sarted to buy SACDs two months ago and I plan to build a collection (it´s never too late). Received some BIS records, the Stravinsky's ballets and the Beethoven box set. I just want to say: BRAVO! Great sound, great performances, awesome editions.
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Post by bissie October 13, 2013 (3475 of 4131)
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Chris said:
Dear Robert,
thank you for your interest in my opinion.But, didn't you earlier say:? "I think the new recording is so good that it will crush the old one". And now you say you hear no difference between them? I am fairly certain I said that I may be tempted to,and I still might be.
Dear Chris,
this shows that we come from two completely different camps:
Yes, my quote is correct. I was speaking about the MUSIC and its PLAYING, NOT the sound quality.
There I can hear no difference, which isn't due to the hall and the acoustics.
But, since you are so adamant that you can hear the difference between a 24/44,1 recording and a DSD one, I challenged you to tell me exactly what difference you hear, how and where, and now I am only talking about sound quality. The rest is too obvious and need not be discussed.
Thanks - Robert
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Post by bissie October 13, 2013 (3476 of 4131)
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juenh77 said:
I sarted to buy SACDs two months ago and I plan to build a collection (it´s never too late). Received some BIS records, the Stravinsky's ballets and the Beethoven box set. I just want to say: BRAVO! Great sound, great performances, awesome editions.
Thank you, it warmed (needed in Sweden right now...)
Right on - we have another almost 300 or so...
Best - Robert
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Post by hiredfox October 13, 2013 (3477 of 4131)
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bissie said:
Dear Chris,
There I can hear no difference, which isn't due to the hall and the acoustics.
But, since you are so adamant that you can hear the difference between a 24/44,1 recording and a DSD one, I challenged you to tell me exactly what difference you hear, how and where, and now I am only talking about sound quality. The rest is too obvious and need not be discussed.
Thanks - Robert
Couldn't resist butting in to this over-heard conversation, forgive me.
;-) ...is that in mch on indifferent equipment?
High End Stereo is an entirely different fish-in-a-kettle, either that or my 10 year obsession with expensive SACD has been entirely misconceived and misguided. I hope not....
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Post by Chris October 13, 2013 (3478 of 4131)
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bissie said:
Dear Chris,
this shows that we come from two completely different camps:
Yes, my quote is correct. I was speaking about the MUSIC and its PLAYING, NOT the sound quality.
There I can hear no difference, which isn't due to the hall and the acoustics.
But, since you are so adamant that you can hear the difference between a 24/44,1 recording and a DSD one, I challenged you to tell me exactly what difference you hear, how and where, and now I am only talking about sound quality. The rest is too obvious and need not be discussed.
Thanks - Robert
Please bear with me Robert,
I have only heard the recording streamed from the unmentionable site.
But even from that I can say that imho it doesn't exactly crush the earlier interpretation at all.What I hear are rather two interesting takes on some of the greatest music ever composed for the clarinette in that respect.
But with the already truly excellent SACD I wonder if I really need two interpretations of the same work by the same artist?
And the fact that the new one has been recorded 24/44.1 pcm is not a very strong selling point in my case.
I am a spoilt boy,very spoilt boy.
Regarding audible differences between 24/44.1 and DSD there are plenty of others to choose from as well and I have already repeatedly, stated the differences I and others here profess to hear,most recently in my post above.
Until I compare these two recordings maybe a quote from the album notes of BIS SACD 1263 will explain the superiority of DSD over 24/44.1 better than I and others who have tried,seem able to in order to satisfy you.
I quote:
"Direct Stream Digital...
...making it possible to take as many as 2.8 million samples per second of the sound being recorded-as compared to the 44.100 samples possible with previous technology."
"Consequently the ability to record sounds faithfully increase enormously.."
"The dynamic range on a DSD recording is likewise considerably wider ,achieving up to 120 dB across the audible range."
"This leads to an enhancement in clarity and transparency of the sound."
"The musical instruments and the recorded acoustics aquire an extra dimension in plasticity and realism,unmatched by any other recording technique"
End of quote from BIS SACD 1263!
Best Chris
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Post by bissie October 13, 2013 (3479 of 4131)
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Chris said:
Regarding audible differences between 24/44.1 and DSD there are plenty of others to choose from as well and I have already repeatedly, stated the differences I and others here profess to hear,most recently in my post above.
Until I compare these two recordings maybe a quote from the album notes of BIS SACD 1263 will explain the superiority of DSD over 24/44.1 better than I and others who have tried,seem able to in order to satisfy you.
Best Chris
Yes, but, you see, it isn't that often that one has 2 different recordings, which are so comparable:
same clarinetist, same work.
Normally there are so many imponderables that can influence - here we have at least the same basic prerequisites in order to conduct a fair SQ comparison between a 24/44,1 and a DSD recording of the same piece by the same artist.
That's partly why I am so insistent.
Best - Robert
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bissie said:
Yes, but, you see, it isn't that often that one has 2 different recordings, which are so comparable:
same clarinetist, same work.
Normally there are so many imponderables that can influence - here we have at least the same basic prerequisites in order to conduct a fair SQ comparison between a 24/44,1 and a DSD recording of the same piece by the same artist.
That's partly why I am so insistent.
Best - Robert
Yes, but not the same hall, nor the same circumstances at all. The same soloist, but even you have made comments before about differences in hall acoustics to point out how things are different based on location, etc. I think you're barking up the wrong tree to try and make a comparison about sound here.
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