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I agree that this format sounds fantastic on a 5.1 surround system that plays SACD discs.
However, when I put a (Hybrid!) SACD in my computer drive, it only occasionally works. The same disc in the same drive can work one minute and not the next. Does anyone here know of a way to make it more reliable?
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Post by dvda-sacd December 28, 2006 (2 of 17)
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SAincompatibleHater said:
Does anyone here know of a way to make it more reliable?
I think the only way is changing your CD/DVD drive.
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I need a drive that supports Hybrid SACD.
I suppose beforehand I could try the discs on the computers of friends and neighbours.
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Post by eesau December 28, 2006 (4 of 17)
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SAincompatibleHater said:
I need a drive that supports Hybrid SACD.
I suppose beforehand I could try the discs on the computers of friends and neighbours.
Hi,
Hybrid SACD does not, actually, have any problems. Your PC disc drive has problems. Just replace it with a better one.
Esa
Try a CD-only drive if you can find one. That should help, I think.
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It's not the drive that has faults as such. Its problem is that it's trying to read the SACD layer because it looks like a DVD. A CD-only drive, as you stated, would eliminate the problem.
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Post by amatala December 28, 2006 (6 of 17)
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I have NEVER encountered any problems reading the CD layer of Hybrid SACD discs on my PC. My PC is equipped with one DVD-R/CDR drive and one DVD-RW/CDRW drive and they both can read my Hybrid SACDs.
I think in your case the drive has a problem because the CD layer of SACDs is 100% compliant with the RedBook standards so it should work everywhere. The SACD layer does not adhere to CD or DVD standards so it should be completely invisible to DVD drives for PCs.
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amatala said:
The SACD layer does not adhere to CD or DVD standards so it should be completely invisible to DVD drives for PCs.
Perhaps it should be but it typically isn't. It may not be identical to a DVD layer but it looks a lot like it -- enough to make some DVD drives 'think' they see a DVD disc.
The CD-ROM/CD-R(W) drive advice is correct. Question if whether you can still find any without DVD functionality.
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The Seventh Taylor said:
Perhaps it should be but it typically isn't. It may not be identical to a DVD layer but it looks a lot like it -- enough to make some DVD drives 'think' they see a DVD disc.
The CD-ROM/CD-R(W) drive advice is correct. Question if whether you can still find any without DVD functionality.
If I can't, I will just find a drive with DVD functionality that has never encountered any problems.
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Post by Claude December 28, 2006 (9 of 17)
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There are DVD drives with hybrid SACD problems. My Pioneer DVD drive (made in 2000) can't read any of them. My more recent DVD burner plays them without a problem. Unfortunately hybrid SACD compatibility is not something that is often checked in reviews of PC drives.
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Post by raffells December 28, 2006 (10 of 17)
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SAincompatibleHater said:
If I can't, I will just find a drive with DVD functionality that has never encountered any problems.
Yes the advice you have been given WILL solve this known problem.All modern drives should be ok cd or DVD.Incidently I know of a PC drive that actually displays the table of contents on an sacd disc..It is an early one...Not that it helps as you can not then read/open the files.
As indicated it was one of poor timing..The early DVD drives were not expecting to read an unauthorized format and tend to stick in loop mode when they found one....hence it doesnt go on to the CD info.
I should also point out that most of the problems I find or have heard of are caused by problems with the discs themselves..Especially as some people damage the centre of the discs due to the awkward press locaters.This can cause the dics to be off centre and the poor lazer cannot follow the inner track(or both circular tracks if its a hybrid sacd)
By far the most common is dirt/ fingerprints etc on the TOC in the centre of the disc which people tend to miss when they try cleaning the disc..On one occasion I found damage on this part.Which was actually on the Top printed side of the disc.This is the more important side to keep from damage as it is very close to the bit that the lazer reads.Obviously any damage to the printed side is likely to cause a major problem during the playing.
Sony seem to have the worst reputation for lazer failure due to the lazer holder overheating its plastic shroud and sending the lazer off beam.even so these can still read the CD layer which is almost 10 times the pit size...but I am beginning to worry about Denon 2900/3910 series as well.(recent reports on Denon AV site)
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