Post by Claude June 17, 2006 (11 of 23)
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Post by Daland June 17, 2006 (12 of 23)
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Claude said:
He is also an insider: http://homepage.mac.com/rjino/rjinorecording/aboutrjino.htm
Maybe he can explain where he got the information he posted.
I hope so.
This is what the Boston Globe wrote in December 2004 (perhaps someone can come up with more up-to-date information):
"The Mahler discs have won Grammy awards and made the Billboard classical charts. They've also been more commercially successful than the SFS expected, with the five discs released so far selling between 10,000 and 17,000 copies a piece. That might not put Britney in the black. But for the SFS, which had modest expectations, it made the project a success. Some of the out-of-print Mahler discs are listed used at as much as $50 on Amazon.com."
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Post by stvnharr June 17, 2006 (13 of 23)
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rjino said:
I've heard that the SACD sales for SF Symphony have been very lack-lustre and I would hazard a guess that the format will be discontinued at some point in the near future. However the latest in the "Keeping Score" series, on DVD, will be released with some fanfare ....see the website.
Rjino may have a small recording company that nobody has ever heard about, but in this post he sounds like numerous audio store salespersons who declare the death of sacd at any moment.
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Post by raffells June 17, 2006 (14 of 23)
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Claude said:
He is also an insider: http://homepage.mac.com/rjino/rjinorecording/aboutrjino.htm
Maybe he can explain where he got the information he posted.
His information must be suspect as well as his opinions...
He says he has "state of the art"recording on a Hard drive UP TO 96hz sampling..wow.
Well .Ive been using 192hz for well over a year on a hard drive using black gates caps/super diodes etc etc for even lower noise levels better quality etc..I dont even consider it medium level..?
At least he is aware of sacd and probably has heard os DSD...So he must be making some progress...
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Post by rjino June 18, 2006 (15 of 23)
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flyingdutchman said:
Seth,
RJino is a troll. His one post on the forum and he makes bogus remarks concerning SACD.
No, not a troll at all....simply my first post on a topic I know a little about. I read this forum often enough.
I'm a recording engineer who does some DSD recordings of my own. I also happen to be on friendly terms with someone who handles some part of the shipping of CDs and SACDs in this area.
I'll be happy to be proven wrong on this one.
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Post by seth June 19, 2006 (16 of 23)
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rjino said:
No, not a troll at all....simply my first post on a topic I know a little about. I read this forum often enough.
I'm a recording engineer who does some DSD recordings of my own. I also happen to be on friendly terms with someone who handles some part of the shipping of CDs and SACDs in this area.
I'll be happy to be proven wrong on this one.
Well in that case, it's in pretty bad form for an industry person to make unsubstantiated claims.
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Post by rjino June 19, 2006 (17 of 23)
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seth said:
Well in that case, it's in pretty bad form for an industry person to make unsubstantiated claims.
Hello Seth, I'm sure that time will allot all substance that is due. I cannot make claim to predicting the future however judging from the past some things can be induced:
From the RIAA year end reports - tracked SACD sales after returns (including the Big4 & the independent labels that report to Soundscan) -
2003 - 1,300,000 units
2004 - 800,000 units
2005 - 500,000 units
For the curious - from the same report:
DVD-A sales:
2003 - 400,000
2004 - 300,000
2005 - 500,000
I had a conversation with an agent for a distrubuter of said orgainization's SACD and CDs and he confirmed the trend in his paricular experience and raised questions as to the continual supply of the format......
As someone who has a financial interest in the supply side of this argument I try to base my decisions on something resembling facts. I will continue to enjoy my collection and indeed add to it. I hope that you will do the same.
With best regards.
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rjino said:
Hello Seth, I'm sure that time will allot all substance that is due. I cannot make claim to predicting the future however judging from the past some things can be induced:
From the RIAA year end reports - tracked SACD sales after returns (including the Big4 & the independent labels that report to Soundscan) -
2003 - 1,300,000 units
2004 - 800,000 units
2005 - 500,000 units
For the curious - from the same report:
DVD-A sales:
2003 - 400,000
2004 - 300,000
2005 - 500,000
I had a conversation with an agent for a distrubuter of said orgainization's SACD and CDs and he confirmed the trend in his paricular experience and raised questions as to the continual supply of the format......
As someone who has a financial interest in the supply side of this argument I try to base my decisions on something resembling facts. I will continue to enjoy my collection and indeed add to it. I hope that you will do the same.
With best regards.
Do these figures include single inventory releases? The reason I ask is that my local store claims not to stock SACD's despite selling the Greig series from BIS, Praga, Channel Classics & PentaTone! They do not, however, stock the Harmonia Mundi (or LSO Live) SACD releases but just the RBCD version.
Regards
PN
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Post by Peter June 19, 2006 (19 of 23)
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Haven't we been through all this before? And not that long ago?
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Post by Daland June 19, 2006 (20 of 23)
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Polly Nomial said:
Do these figures include single inventory releases? The reason I ask is that my local store claims not to stock SACD's despite selling the Greig series from BIS, Praga, Channel Classics & PentaTone! They do not, however, stock the Harmonia Mundi (or LSO Live) SACD releases but just the RBCD version.
Regards
PN
These figures are meaningless because hybrid SACDs are classified as CDs to avoid double-counting.
To make matters worse, the RIIA statistics cover only the sales of major labels and their affiliates. You can look up the list of members on their web site. No Telarc, no Pentatone, no Channel Classics, etc., to say nothing of the orchestra labels (LSO live, RCO).
Moreover, Internet sales are not included either.
The statistics in Germany are even worse because they lump together DVD-Audios and Super Audio CDs and do not give any clue as to which labels are included.
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