Post by Marpow August 22, 2015 (1 of 21)
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I received my Birds Of Fire and Jeff Beck Group 4.0's from AF yesterday and have not listened yet. I will listen tonight.
Anybody have yet, listened, thoughts?
I see new discs are not being added to this, the old site, only to the new site.
So, looks like it is up to us that choose to stay on the outside to create our own little topic forum.
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Post by Marpow August 22, 2015 (2 of 21)
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Marpow said:
I received my Birds Of Fire and Jeff Beck Group 4.0's from AF yesterday and have not listened yet. I will listen tonight.
Anybody have yet, listened, thoughts?
I see new discs are not being added to this, the old site, only to the new site.
So, looks like it is up to us that choose to stay on the outside to create our own little topic forum.
I just spent the last 3 hours listening to The Jeff Beck Group AF 4.0 and you will be in for quite a treat.
Rick is going to have his work cut out for him at HRAudio.net review. It will take more than 3 hours of listening but I can say having had all versions my whole life the stereo is stunning and I A/B'ed to my most recent SHM CD and considerably better.
Then the 4.0 will take your brain a bit to settle in so listen for about 20 mins than go back and start again. This is the 4th AF Quad mix I have and I find the Quad mixes very intense, much more so than a remix into 5.1. The 4.0's are very specific and do not move as much.
I am wondering about my personal listening preference if these 4.0 mixes are less appealing to me than a stereo or a 5.1? Might take me a couple years to figure that out?
I felt very calm and relaxed in stereo and in 4.0, man, did my ears and brain get a workout.
There is enough in just this one Jeff Beck disc to have an whole array of listening opinions, maybe for that alone it should be considered a great new addition to the stellar Jeff Beck catalog.
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Markie.......GREAT 4.0 can be just as satisfying, if NOT more so, than 5.1 because the left and right front channels, IF imaged PROPERLY will give you a stable and VERY satisfying center channel/image.*
And of course, what we are learning (and couldn't prove it by 1970 SQ Vinyl standards) is that these Columbia QUADS were adventuresome mixes to compensate for the inadequacies of the QUAD vinyl format of the time and their piss poor decoders.
You are finally hearing for the first time what the Columbia engineers of the time meant for these QUAD masters to sound like.
I'm glad you reassessed your initial poor action to this album because you are finally hearing it as it should be heard.
Glory Be!
Onto Birds of Fire (because I have an incredible sounding RBCD version and can ONLY imagine what the Quad 4.0 sounds like). My copy should arrive early next week as should Jeff Beck.
*I have read over at QQ that Roger Water's 5.1 of Amused to Death has made POOR use of the center channel. Some posters even advised to disengage it as it is NOT being properly utilized....or, is non~existent! And some posters actually preferred the Q~encoded stereo to the 5.1 James Guthrie remix.
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Post by Lute August 22, 2015 (4 of 21)
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Playing a little mental hopscotch, Mark? ;-)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m17rt_xo9x0
I know what you're saying, though. I think it's fascinating how our ears and minds perceive music.
Multichannel recordings open many doors of perception, don't they!?
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Post by Marpow August 22, 2015 (5 of 21)
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Lute said:
Playing a little mental hopscotch, Mark? ;-)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m17rt_xo9x0
I know what you're saying, though. I think it's fascinating how our ears and minds perceive music.
Multichannel recordings open many doors of perception, don't they!?
Your absolutely correct Ralph and Brett you have the beginning of Terry Bozzio. Who I have met in person while he was not missing.
I also listened to Birds of Fire today, awesome in 4.0, wait till you hear the drum solo, wowza II.
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Post by Marpow August 22, 2015 (7 of 21)
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rammiepie said:
Markie.......GREAT 4.0 can be just as satisfying, if NOT more so, than 5.1 because the left and right front channels, IF imaged PROPERLY will give you a stable and VERY satisfying center channel/image.*
Glory Be!
Onto Birds of Fire (because I have an incredible sounding RBCD version and can ONLY imagine what the Quad 4.0 sounds like). My copy should arrive early next week as should Jeff Beck.
*I have read over at QQ that Roger Water's 5.1 of Amused to Death has made POOR use of the center channel. Some posters even advised to disengage it as it is NOT being properly utilized....or, is non~existent! And some posters actually preferred the Q~encoded stereo to the 5.1 James Guthrie remix.
Ralph, you mentioned proper imaging. I can testify that the phantom center is spot on perfect to the point that I got up one time and put my ear to center just to hear it was dead, absolutely perfect in both stereo and 4.0.
It's weird to see the meters of the amps be flat in center but you swear the center is working.
I think I am ready for a second 4.0 spin of Birds, want to hear that drum solo again.
I swear Birds has riffs and context that is very close to Beck,s Blow By Blow.
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Marpow said:
Ralph, you mentioned proper imaging. I can testify that the phantom center is spot on perfect to the point that I got up one time and put my ear to center just to hear it was dead, absolutely perfect in both stereo and 4.0.
It's weird to see the meters of the amps be flat in center but you swear the center is working.
I think I am ready for a second 4.0 spin of Birds, want to hear that drum solo again.
I swear Birds has riffs and context that is very close to Beck,s Blow By Blow.
I know I'm been talking about my upcoming 4 matching Meridian powered speakers for some time* but I opted to eliminate the center because unless it matched ALL four...which it didn't....it sounded like shit (and we're talking about a $20K center channel). There's NO room for a matching fifth speaker as I have a big screen in the center and it would block my view. Unless you have a MATCHING center channel (and preferably matching rears), that's a NO go for me. As you can precisely hear in a QUAD recording....ALL channels are EQUALLY active and if your rears don't match your fronts and center....what's the purpose?
(*I don't have them yet because I need to do some construction in my listening room before they are installed and other priorities have prevented me from doing so).
And yes, Markie....Birds of Fire IS a trip........Audio Fidelity, MORE Mahavishnu please.
Hope VG had a blast in the BIG Apple. Did she see the naked painted ladies roaming around Times Square?https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/topless3.jpg
BTW, received the Japanese SHM~SACD of U.K.'s first album......will give it a spin tonight. And lo and behold, Markie, it comes in that little box you do back flips over.
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Post by Lute August 22, 2015 (9 of 21)
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Lute said:
INXS is in the mail, Ralphie.
August is the time for ghosts and all that's ghoulish in Japan, so I've been treated to lots of horror flicks these past few weeks. And lo and behold, guess what I just watched the other day. Yep, you guessed it... "The Hunger". I hadn't seen it in ages. It's aged well.
Got Alice spinning now...
LOVE the DVD~A of Welcome To My Nightmare.
You'll like the INXS disc even though it's stereo. Play it Loudly.
When I first saw the Hunger I was enthralled by the three leads. Bowie, of course, is mesmerizing. The BD~A received great reviews.
Bela Lugosi's Dead.....what a great opening........
Will probably watch the new restored Criterion 4K scan of Alain Resnais' Hiroshima Mon Amour tonight.
One of the rare films which received 5* for everything (video, sound, extras, content, etc).
And don't forget the 2.0 96/24 dualdisc of the Devil's Reject. And seriously, Brett, who's gonna nag you and crack the whip over at QQ w/o the RAM's benign S & M* intervention?
{*SOUND/MUSIC}
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