Post by HV March 15, 2008 (211 of 1518)
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Post by Perigo March 18, 2008 (212 of 1518)
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Post by k-spin March 18, 2008 (213 of 1518)
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Perigo said:
Sorry, the link doesn't work.
Works okay for me.
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Post by Perigo March 18, 2008 (214 of 1518)
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k-spin said:
Works okay for me.
At this hour for me, too... :-)
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Post by hok007 March 19, 2008 (215 of 1518)
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brighteyes said:
a great new value DVD/SACD/DVD-audio Player, last one frome oppo
http://www.oppodigital.com/dv983h/default.asp
Very impressive.
Am I right that the 983H does not support HDMI 1.3? Ie., it does not appear to have the option of passing DSD directly to the receiver (in those instances where the receiver has the ability to do DSD conversion internally). Rather, the manual seems to indicate that it will only pass PCM over HDMI. Is this limitation built in? Is this something they may be able to upgrade in the future by a firmware update?
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Post by raveer March 19, 2008 (216 of 1518)
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hok007 said:
Very impressive.
Am I right that the 983H does not support HDMI 1.3? Ie., it does not appear to have the option of passing DSD directly to the receiver (in those instances where the receiver has the ability to do DSD conversion internally). Rather, the manual seems to indicate that it will only pass PCM over HDMI. Is this limitation built in? Is this something they may be able to upgrade in the future by a firmware update?
Well, technicaly the DSD stream is possible with HDMI 1.2, see/search other threads for explanation.
Yes, this limitation is built in, as ABT solution provides HDMI output but does not support DSD. I think that ABT is even in HDMI output stage, therefor they could not implement the external support for DSD. With 980H the Mediatek chip takes care of this. Besides PCM at 88.2kHz is just as good, and with blind test you probbably would not notice the difference.
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Harman Kardon DVD 49
* Three DVD players: the £350 universal DVD-Video/DVD-Audio/SACD DVD 49 (below); the £250 DVD 39 with video upscaling to 1080p; and the £229 DVD 29 with video upscaling to 720p.
Harman Kardon DVD 49
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raveer said:
Besides PCM at 88.2kHz is just as good, and with blind test you probbably would not notice the difference.
Disagree strongly with the general premise of this.
88.2 kHz is half the resolution of SACD, so you are effectively wasting "half" the bits.
As to whether this has an audible effect, I would say, "it can". For example, I have tested my PS3 (which outputs PCM sgnal converted from DSd internally), and compared the 176.4kHz signal (without Audyssey in the receiver) to the 88.2kHz (with and without Audyssey). And the 88.2kHz sounds closer to CD than the 176.4kHz signal, which is effectively SACD-quality. It's a subtle difference, but noticeable in terms of music sounding less airy in particular. I found this quite surprising because I expected 88.2 WITH Audyssey to get pretty close to 176.4kHz without Audyssey given I am so impressed with Audyssey with a CD (48kHz) signal.
To be fair, I had to listen several times and to various CD's to notice the difference, but that was because you cannot instantly flick between signals on the PS3.
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Post by raveer March 20, 2008 (219 of 1518)
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FunkyMonkey said:
Disagree strongly with the general premise of this.
88.2 kHz is half the resolution of SACD, so you are effectively wasting "half" the bits.
As to whether this has an audible effect, I would say, "it can". For example, I have tested my PS3 (which outputs PCM sgnal converted from DSd internally), and compared the 176.4kHz signal (without Audyssey in the receiver) to the 88.2kHz (with and without Audyssey). And the 88.2kHz sounds closer to CD than the 176.4kHz signal, which is effectively SACD-quality. It's a subtle difference, but noticeable in terms of music sounding less airy in particular. I found this quite surprising because I expected 88.2 WITH Audyssey to get pretty close to 176.4kHz without Audyssey given I am so impressed with Audyssey with a CD (48kHz) signal.
To be fair, I had to listen several times and to various CD's to notice the difference, but that was because you cannot instantly flick between signals on the PS3.
Well, to be more clear: PS3 can perfectly convert DSD to 16 bit * 176.4 = 2822.4. Sadly it does only 16 bit samples with 88.2 also, so you definetly loose half of bits.
But Oppo and some other players convert this to 24 bits while retaining 88.2 sample rate. So you get 88.2 * 24 = 2116.8, which is almost close to 2822.4. Plus you can add some post processing on it, with DSD you can not.
With Oppo DV-980 and Denon 3808 I did not hear the difference between DSD and PCM conversion. But I still prefer analog and bass management on reciever side.
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Almost exactly one year after the Pioneer DV-600AV there's a successor, the DV-610AV. Like its predecessor it offers DSD output via HDMI (for SACD), plus DVD-Audio playback. There are some other new models too but these have no support for SACD (nor DVD-Audio).
Price is ¥26,000.
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20080425/pioneer.htm
I guess we'll see these models in the west soon, too.
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