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Many thanks to Ralph Mazzeo for the kind compliments. Ralph, I will be very interested to hear what you think after you have heard the first four of my 360-degree direct sound source recordings — Carmen, Damnation of Faust, Symphonie Fantastique and Treemonisha — all reviewed here recently. Incidentally (and I don't think I mentioned this earlier), these surround recordings were made in such a way that folding the rear channels into the front at a 1-to-1 ratio resulted in the final stereo mixes which have been on the market for 40-some years now.
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Post by Lute March 30, 2015 (32 of 42)
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ThomasMowrey said:
And I also will be thrilled to listen to an immersive recording of those works. Sounds great!
Yes, we sometimes get into debates here about... Immersive vs. Ambient. The Classists seem to prefer ambient sound. The Rockers want immersive.
Personally, I don't get all the fuss. I want it ALL.
Btw, you wouldn't happen to have any Wagner in such True Surround, would you? ;-)
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Post by Iain March 30, 2015 (33 of 42)
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ThomasMowrey said:
Many thanks to Ralph Mazzeo for the kind compliments. Ralph, I will be very interested to hear what you think after you have heard the first four of my 360-degree direct sound source recordings — Carmen, Damnation of Faust, Symphonie Fantastique and Treemonisha — all reviewed here recently. Incidentally (and I don't think I mentioned this earlier), these surround recordings were made in such a way that folding the rear channels into the front at a 1-to-1 ratio resulted in the final stereo mixes which have been on the market for 40-some years now.
Interesting, that.
Frankly, I thought I would never see these three magical words used in a thread:
1) Bizet
2) "Carmen"
3) immersion
... especially on this site.
Wondrous news, indeed!!!!
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Post by Iain March 30, 2015 (34 of 42)
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Lute said:
And I also will be thrilled to listen to an immersive recording of those works. Sounds great!
Yes, we sometimes get into debates here about... Immersive vs. Ambient. The Classists seem to prefer ambient sound. The Rockers want immersive.
Personally, I don't get all the fuss. I want it ALL.
Btw, you wouldn't happen to have any Wagner in such True Surround, would you? ;-)
Especially the 1989 DGG recording of Tannhäuser (Paris version) by Giuseppe Sinopoli. It's truly a mystical experience that everyone should hear.
I would sacrifice my first-born, to hear it in an immersive multi-channel recording. : )
BTW Lute, it's all down to the type of recording. I don't believe solo instrumentals or string quartets work well in a multi-channel environment, but symphonic or rock titles do.
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Iain said:
Interesting, that.
Frankly, I thought I would never see these three magical words used in a thread:
1) Bizet
2) "Carmen"
3) immersion
... especially on this site.
Wondrous news, indeed!!!!
Well, there they are, Iain. I'll be interested to hear what you think after you hear it.
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Lute said:
Btw, you wouldn't happen to have any Wagner in such True Surround, would you? ;-)
The only Wagner which DG recorded in quad was Lohengrin with Kubelik, Meistersinger with Jochum, Parsifal with Karajan and a disc of Vorspiele conducted by Karl Böhm. I am 99% sure that all of these were with only ambiance in the rear. To my knowledge, I was the only DG producer who made immersive, 360-degree direct sound source recordings.
I am quite sure that Columbia/CBS producers did lots of them, although I don't know that they have ever been released in a modern digital form (SACD or Blu-ray). Offhand, I think there was a Bartok Concerto for Orchestra with Boulez and the NY Phil produced by Tom Frost, Andy Kazdin or Tom Shepard (not sure!), a Carmina Burana with Michael Tilson Thomas and Cleveland produced by Kazdin, and I believe a Gürrelieder produced by Paul Myers, if I'm not mistaken. But there were several score more of those, I'm quite sure.
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ThomasMowrey said:
I am quite sure that Columbia/CBS producers did lots of them, although I don't know that they have ever been released in a modern digital form (SACD or Blu-ray). Offhand, I think there was a Bartok Concerto for Orchestra with Boulez and the NY Phil produced by Tom Frost, Andy Kazdin or Tom Shepard (not sure!), a Carmina Burana with Michael Tilson Thomas and Cleveland produced by Kazdin, and I believe a Gürrelieder produced by Paul Myers, if I'm not mistaken. But there were several score more of those, I'm quite sure.
Sony released a few of these on SACD, including:
Bartok: Concerto for Orchestra, Miraculous Mandarin - Boulez
Boulez Conducts Ravel
Rodrigo: Concierto de Aranjuez etc - John Williams
Bach: The Four Great Toccatas and Fugues - E. Power Biggs
Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 4, Nutcracker Suite - Bernstein
Holst: The Planets, Britten: Four Sea Interludes - Bernstein
In a number, including the Bartok and Holst, they didn't use the quad mix but instead used stereo+ambience. Others in the list seem to use the quad mix. They also released a few others upmixed from a 3-channel source.
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ThomasMowrey said:
I am quite sure that Columbia/CBS producers did lots of them
among them
Pierre Boulez:
MQ 31368 - Bartok: The Miraculous Mandarin, Dance Suite
MQ 32132 - Bartok: Concerto for Orchestra
MQ 31799 - Berlioz: Roman Carnival, "Benvenuto Cellini" Overture, Royal Hunt and Storm from "Les Troyens", Overture and Entr'acte 1 from "Beatrice et Benedict"
MQ 32160 - Boulez: Le marteau sans maitre, Livre pour cordes
MQ 33970 - Falla: The Three-Cornered Hat, Harpsichord Concerto
MQ 33436 - Handel: Water Music
MQ 32159 - Ravel: Une barque sur l'ocean, Valses nobles et sentimentales, Le tombeau de Couperin
MQ 32838 - Ravel: La valse, Menuet antique, Ma mere l'oye
MQ 33523 - Ravel: Daphnis et Chloe
MQ 33303 - Schoenberg: Gurre-Lieder
MQ 31076 - Stravinsky: Petrushka
MQ 33508 - Stravinsky: The Firebird
MQ 32296 - Wagner: "Die Meistersinger von Nurnberg" Act I Prelude, "Tannhauser" Overture (Dresden version), Faust Overture, Prelude and Liebestod from "Tristan und Isolde"
Leonard Bernstein:
KMQ 32597 - Bernstein: Trouble in Tahiti
MQ 33082 - Bernstein: Dybbuk
M2Q 31008 - Bernstein: Mass
MQ 32101 - Haydn: Symphonies Nos. 93 & 94
MQ 32598 - Haydn: Symphonies Nos. 95 & 96
MQ 32196 - Haydn: Missa in tempore belli
MQ 31125 - Holst: The Planets
KMQ 31919 - Mahler: Das Lied von der Erde
MQ 33532 - Mahler: Kindertotenlieder (Janet Baker; Israel Philharmonic), Adagio from Symphony No. 10
M2Q 32681 - Mahler: Symphony No. 2 "Resurrection" (rec. 1973 - London Symphony)
MQ 32779 - Nielsen: Symphony No. 2 "The Four Temperaments"
MQ 30443 - Richard Strauss: Also sprach Zarathustra
MQ 32843 - Sibelius: Symphony No. 4, The Swan of Tuonela
MQ 31520 - Stravinsky: The Rite of Spring (London Symphony)
MQ 30056 - Tchaikovsky: Swan Lake Suite
MQ 33886 - Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 4 (rec. 1975 - NYP)
M2Q 30060 - Verdi: Requiem
M2X 34256 - various artists: "Concert of the Century"
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sunnydaler said:
among them
(long list)
Sunnydaler and Ubertrout, do I understand you correctly that these lists of about 35 titles are all multichannel SACDs with 360-degree direct sound sources?
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ThomasMowrey said:
Sunnydaler and Ubertrout, do I understand you correctly that these lists of about 35 titles are all multichannel SACDs with 360-degree direct sound sources?
No. Sunnydaler's is a list of releases from the 70s. Mine is a list of Sony SACD releases from quad sources, but for many of them Sony eliminated the 360-degree effect. The Bach disc is an exception.
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