Post by fausto K November 29, 2014 (41 of 56)
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Lute said:
The "pesky fly" remark was in reference to Rammie's post. I was agreeing with him about MoFi's reply to us... while still trying to be positive about his and my efforts with MoFi.
I'll let that one stay in YOUR imagination. ;-)
I did have you (but also MoFi) in mind with the weird logic comment because of your passionate argument for The Cars "Moving in Stereo". My eyes are still rolling on that one. LOL! But... Let's just say that we agree to disagree.
And... You said you were baffled by some of us here who are psyched about the prospect of The Cars in 5.1. Well, it's not baffling to me. You don't listen in Mch, so you are simply unaware and simply not interested in its possibilities. But...That's cool with me.
Perhaps one day you will be cool with our hopes for getting Mch SACDs from MoFi... even if those hopes are somewhere over the rainbow. :-D
well, it seems we're talking past each other. But that's fine. At any rate, my comment re "Moving in Stereo" wasn't a point of logic but of aesthetics. But apparently you didn't get my drift.
But I agree that we should agree to disagree, whatever it is we're disagreeing upon (I'm not clear about this) :-)
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Post by Astral November 29, 2014 (42 of 56)
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fausto K said:
I'm not surprised, and it confirms my earlier similar point about 'altering' the music's original content.
EDIT: however, one has a point if one argues that notwithstanding MOFI's legitimate stand-point regarding keeping to the authenticity of the original release (which bar some quad-LPs in the 70s means stereo in all cases), they could of course ADD a multi-channel layer, which doesn't in any way detract from their point about original intent (one could simply just play the stereo tracks, as I do). So perhaps, their real reason for not doing MC, it seems, is that it involves a lot more hassle (licensing of existing mixes, or investing in doing it themselves). And that's an entirely fair point, whether you like it or not.
Whether one likes it or not, MOFI have made their position clear.
I understand completely. They are a brand built around "Original Master Recordings" and that is the 2 track master. They don't want to compromise their brand.
Second reason is also pretty clear. Once you go down the MCH route, you are always going to be on the MCH route. It is not as simplistic as releasing an archived MCH mix where there is one available. Once they include a MCH mix, the small internet cohort of MCH devotees will complain endlessly every time they release a title WITHOUT a MCH mix.
They are a tier one reissue company, they certainly obtain tier 1 titles to reissue. They don't want to compromise their brand or become a tier two company like Audio Fidelity that reissue what they can get their hands on and mostly have legitimate, but still second level, titles.
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Post by fausto K November 29, 2014 (43 of 56)
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Astral said:
...Once you go down the MCH route, you are always going to be on the MCH route. It is not as simplistic as releasing an archived MCH mix where there is one available. Once they include a MCH mix, the small internet cohort of MCH devotees will complain endlessly every time they release a title WITHOUT a MCH mix.
They are a tier one reissue company, they certainly obtain tier 1 titles to reissue. They don't want to compromise their brand or become a tier two company like Audio Fidelity that reissue what they can get their hands on and mostly have legitimate, but still second level, titles.
I fully concur.
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Post by fredblue November 29, 2014 (44 of 56)
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Lute said:
The "pesky fly" remark was in reference to Rammie's post. I was agreeing with him about MoFi's reply to us... while still trying to be positive about his and my efforts with MoFi.
I'll let that one stay in YOUR imagination. ;-)
I did have you (but also MoFi) in mind with the weird logic comment because of your passionate argument for The Cars "Moving in Stereo". My eyes are still rolling on that one. LOL! But... Let's just say that we agree to disagree.
And... You said you were baffled by some of us here who are psyched about the prospect of The Cars in 5.1. Well, it's not baffling to me. You don't listen in Mch, so you are simply unaware and simply not interested in its possibilities. But...That's cool with me.
Perhaps one day you will be cool with our hopes for getting Mch SACDs from MoFi... even if those hopes are somewhere over the rainbow. :-D
A 5.1 mix of "Moving In Stereo" might have the vocal refrain ("Life's the same, I'm Moving In Stereo..") pan clockwise round the room from, say, Front Left to Front Right to Rear Right to Rear Left and back to Front Left again as the "Life's the same.." line's are repeated.. sounds like a fun way "Moving It In 4-channel Stereo"! :-D
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Post by Lute November 29, 2014 (45 of 56)
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fredblue said:
A 5.1 mix of "Moving In Stereo" might have the vocal refrain ("Life's the same, I'm Moving In Stereo..") pan clockwise round the room from, say, Front Left to Front Right to Rear Right to Rear Left and back to Front Left again as the "Life's the same.." line's are repeated.. sounds like a fun way "Moving It In 4-channel Stereo"! :-D
+1
I love it, Adam!
Sounds like a sweet dream... at least until some finds a way to get that 5.1 mix released.
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Post by rammiepie November 29, 2014 (46 of 56)
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Lute said:
+1
I love it, Adam!
Sounds like a sweet dream... at least until some finds a way to get that 5.1 mix released.
Brett, sounds like Adam is going to quit his day job and apprentice with Steve Wilson.
It seems everytime I hear a stereo album I imagine how great it would sound in surround.....ditto for classical music and jazz.
BTW, did you ever hear Herbie Hancock's "Gershwin's World" in surround, Brett. It's selling for cheap on the various websites. Sounds fantastic!
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Post by Lute November 30, 2014 (47 of 56)
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rammiepie said:
Brett, sounds like Adam is going to quit his day job and apprentice with Steve Wilson.
It seems everytime I hear a stereo album I imagine how great it would sound in surround.....ditto for classical music and jazz.
BTW, did you ever hear Herbie Hancock's "Gershwin's World" in surround, Brett. It's selling for cheap on the various websites. Sounds fantastic!
I hope we will be able to do more than just imagine how music would sound in surround in the future. There is some gloomy talk going around...across the board or should I say "disk". Nothing sacred, I guess.
Anyway, thanks for the tip on Herbie's Gershwin SACD. Look forward to it. I've got Fourplay DVDA on again this evening.
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Post by fausto K November 30, 2014 (48 of 56)
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back on topic: I've just put the MOFI vinyl record (of the Cars debut) on my Nottingham platter. What a glorious, masterful recording and stereo sound! Great dynamics, excellent soundstage, abounding in oomph. Should be an even greater sounding stereo SACD. We should thank MOFI for releasing this on SACD, 5 years after the vinyl.
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Post by Mongo December 6, 2014 (49 of 56)
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My Mo-Fi bitch is not so much their current block-headed refusal to do 5.1 even when an existing mix-master exists but the fact that many of the vinyl releases never get a SACD release or 5 years later it gets a SACD release.
I would love to have some of the Costello remasters and I sure others would as well
In fact screw discs all together and offer downloads
Even AP presses a 5.1 layer when one exists.
The Cars would be a perfect opportunity
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Post by Astral December 6, 2014 (50 of 56)
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Mongo said:
My Mo-Fi bitch is not so much their current block-headed refusal to do 5.1 even when an existing mix-master exists but the fact that many of the vinyl releases never get a SACD release or 5 years later it gets a SACD release.
I would love to have some of the Costello remasters and I sure others would as well
In fact screw discs all together and offer downloads
Even AP presses a 5.1 layer when one exists.
The Cars would be a perfect opportunity
What a stupid post. Audiophile entitlement disease.
You are botching because MOFI don't release everything they do on vinyl as a SACD?
Jeez, WAKE UP. They can't license them. The rights holder says no.
END OF STORY. Get over it.
"Screw discs and offer downloads"?
What a fucking rocket scientist. Sure, ditch probably a third of their market so that people can just steal their products online. Thanks, that kind of economics really works. Their ONLY hope of staying alive is staying out of downloads.
Yes indeed, that is what happens when a company like MOFI goes download (assuming they could, which they can't actually). The fact is that for every download hi-res sold, estimates on the CONSERVATIVE side are that 4 copies are stolen. Much upwards for more popular titles.
There is only one reason any labels offer downloads. They are DESPERATE. They sell on average a few hundred. Maybe a couple hundred more of a VERY major title. Classical labels offer downloads because the classical buyer has typically been first to higher quality sound, second - because their physical market has collapsed.
MOFI couldn't offer downloads if they wanted to. They couldn't get any licenses, and if they could license a few, their conundrum would be that audiophile complainers would jump all over them for every case where they could only license for a physical product, or they would have to offer downloads of all titles - which would severely restrict the range of premier titles they could offer.
As to a SACD release following a vinyl release by 5 years - dude, they could only get clearance for vinyl, and took the label 5 years to give clearance for a further SACD release. If you want instant gratification, get Amazon Auto Rip.
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