Post by wehecht February 1, 2014 (31 of 60)
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Jonalogic said:
Amen to Lyritas I wonder if anyone has ever contacted the Lyrita trust to see if they would be amenable?... Maybe I will when I get back from Sri Lanka.
Good day Jon,
I seem to recall a thread about the possibility of Lyrita sacds back when the cd reissues first started. Someone involved in the reissue program either joined the discussion or was quoted by someone else to the effect that, if I remember correctly, rbcd would have to do and for pete's sake please don't contact Mr Itter because that would bollocks everything. Of course that was years ago, so by all means have at 'em.
Bill
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Jonalogic said:
Oh come on, please think before you knee-jerk. In particular, think about the geopolitical and societal conditions prevailing in Mittel-Europe and Russia from the late 19th to early 20th Centuries; the wars, repressive regimes, persecutions and mass movement of peoples. And then consider when and where - and in what ethnicity - much of the musical talent I cited actually appeared.
Or do I really have to explain world history to you in simple words?
Bumptious BS in support of prior BS.
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Post by Jonalogic February 1, 2014 (33 of 60)
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wehecht said:
Good day Jon,
I seem to recall a thread about the possibility of Lyrita sacds back when the cd reissues first started. Someone involved in the reissue program either joined the discussion or was quoted by someone else to the effect that, if I remember correctly, rbcd would have to do and for pete's sake please don't contact Mr Itter because that would bollocks everything. Of course that was years ago, so by all means have at 'em.
Bill
Bill Hi - or as we say here, wotcher'
I think he's passed on- hence the Lyrita trust; so we wouldn't need the Ouija board!
I'll get in touch, anyway.
Cheers
Jon
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Post by Jonalogic February 1, 2014 (34 of 60)
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wehecht said:
Good day Jon,
I seem to recall a thread about the possibility of Lyrita sacds back when the cd reissues first started. Someone involved in the reissue program either joined the discussion or was quoted by someone else to the effect that, if I remember correctly, rbcd would have to do and for pete's sake please don't contact Mr Itter because that would bollocks everything. Of course that was years ago, so by all means have at 'em.
Bill
Bill hi
An update. The Lyrita catalogue now appears to be the property of Wyastone Estate Limited; this also - interestingly - owns Nimbus.
Anyway, I have now written to them.
But don't hold your breath!
Cheers
Jon
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Post by hiredfox February 1, 2014 (35 of 60)
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wehecht said:
One of the silliest things ever written on a forum not known for a shortage of silliness.
:-) +1
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Post by jimwager February 1, 2014 (36 of 60)
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Post by Jonalogic February 2, 2014 (37 of 60)
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Euell Neverno said:
Bumptious BS in support of prior BS.
Aw, my explanation used words a teeny bit too long for you?
After all, you clearly do like short words, even going so far as to shorten 8-letter ones to 2. No-one knows why.
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Jonalogic said:
Aw, my explanation used words a teeny bit too long for you?
After all, you clearly do like short words, even going so far as to shorten 8-letter ones to 2. No-one knows why.
Keep digging. Your hole of idiocy just keeps getting deeper. As for your contention that 90% of the great recordings were made before 1980, the contention is more than a bit overblown. As for your explanation concerning social conditions in Middle Europe being the cause of the supposed current talent drought, in fact, those conditions led to immigration to the US and Western Europe, thereby contributing to the talent pool. However, the stars of the past are far from being the entire universe of talent. You may have a treasuered collection of old recordings, but many of the recrdings being made today are indeed quite fine and should not be dismissed upon the erroneous assumption that musical talent died somehow in 1980.
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Post by Jonalogic February 2, 2014 (39 of 60)
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Euell Neverno said:
Keep digging. Your hole of idiocy just keeps getting deeper. As for your contention that 90% of the great recordings were made before 1980, the contention is more than a bit overblown. As for your explanation concerning social conditions in Middle Europe being the cause of the supposed current talent drought, in fact, those conditions led to immigration to the US and Western Europe, thereby contributing to the talent pool. However, the stars of the past are far from being the entire universe of talent. You may have a treasuered collection of old recordings, but many of the recrdings being made today are indeed quite fine and should not be dismissed upon the erroneous assumption that musical talent died somehow in 1980.
Hole of idiocy? Is that something like the Twilight Zone? Or an unpleasant curse from Harry Potter?
I didn't think you quite got it. The conditions in Europe and Russia from the late 19th to early 20th Centuries were - I am sure you agree - unique. Fortunately for us all.
Wars, persecution, financial meltdown, persecution and repression resulted in mass population movement, to an extent never seen before. The USA was indeed fortunate to receive much of this human tidal wave. These people and their talents thrived, instead of being exterminated, pogrommed or just suppressed.
That's why, if you remove from the rough list of great musicians I cited before: 1) The Jews 2) Russians 3) Poles 4) Hungarians 5) Germans or 6) combinations of the above - then you lose a great swathe of them. Without these emigres, musical life in the US and UK from the 1920s to 60s would have been immeasurably impoverished, and we simply would not have their great recorded legacy from these decades.
Yes, of course there are talents around today; to deny that would be silly. So kindly don't accuse me of that. However, can you really think of more than 5 or 6 uber-great performers or conductors who genuinely match those earlier 'golden generations'? And many of these, regretfully, may not be with us for too much longer.
If you can't tell the difference, then maybe you ought to listen to the greats a bit more. You might even find that the analogue sound they were recorded in could also - at its best - be great.
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Jonalogic said:
Hole of idiocy? Is that something like the Twilight Zone? Or an unpleasant curse from Harry Potter?
I didn't think you quite got it. The conditions in Europe and Russia from the late 19th to early 20th Centuries were - I am sure you agree - unique. Fortunately for us all.
Wars, persecution, financial meltdown, persecution and repression resulted in mass population movement, to an extent never seen before. The USA was indeed fortunate to receive much of this human tidal wave. These people and their talents thrived, instead of being exterminated, pogrommed or just suppressed.
Yes, of course there are talents around today; to deny that would be silly. So kindly don't accuse me of that. However, can you really think of more than 5 or 6 uber-great performers or conductors who genuinely match those earlier 'golden generations'? And many of these, regretfully, may not be with us for too much longer.
If you can't hear the difference, maybe you ought to listen to the greats a bit more. You might even find that the analogue sound they were recorded in could also - at its best - be great.
Well, at least we have a small concession from you that musical talent wasn't snuffed in 1980. While the cult of personality and tha attendant sycophancy was certainly more common in the earlier days of recording, I certainly wouldn't deny the huge contrbutions of Middle European emigrees of the period. But, now we have even a larger pool of talent emerging with Asian and other ethnic musicians also making their mark. And, yes, many of the older recordings are outstanding from the musical perspective, despite the inferior recording technology of the day.
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