Post by hiredfox October 18, 2013 (1 of 14)
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I didn't know what to expect but didn't expect this. Not really suitable for stereo listeners, in fact very unsuitable. Make what you will of the 'crapspiel' of the Tacet notes but what's the point of creating false images just for sound effect?
My worst fears of where fools will go with multi-channel but angels fear to tread. I'll stick with the angels. Ouch! My poor brain it is still aching. It was trained for more traditional fare. Oh Camille!
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Post by Iain October 18, 2013 (2 of 14)
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Castor's first few paragraphs of review says it all:
"This is an absolutely entrancing issue from TACET and will surely be essential listening for anyone who already has, or is considering investing in a multi-channel sound system.
TACET's approach to recording music in what they describe as 'Real Surround Sound' is to take advantage of the whole acoustic space available, and to enhance the listener's musical experience by utilising the possibilities of current multi-channel technology (in this case 5.1) to the full. No attempt is made to re-create the illusion of sitting in a concert hall; instead the listener is placed at the centre of the performance. Andreas Spreer explains his recording philosophy in some detail in the booklet notes and though purists might frown at his ideas, I can truthfully say that I found the results entirely convincing.
The majority of TACET's earlier releases are of chamber music or music from the classical or baroque eras, but with this latest issue we move into the 20th century with a programme of orchestral works from that consummate master of orchestration Maurice Ravel, and the results are stunning.
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This is just what I'm looking for and is now on order at Amazon. Brilliant!!
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hiredfox said:
I didn't know what to expect but didn't expect this. Not really suitable for stereo listeners, in fact very unsuitable. Make what you will of the 'crapspiel' of the Tacet notes but what's the point of creating false images just for sound effect?
My worst fears of where fools will go with multi-channel but angels fear to tread. I'll stick with the angels. Ouch! My poor brain it is still aching. It was trained for more traditional fare. Oh Camille!
Isn't it high time John Luke, to introduce the pleasures of multichannel sound to Hampshire and stop being an ole fuddydud!
Yes, Tacet's real surround approach isn't for everyone but, purists, aside, it is a respite from ambient only multichannel releases.
I'm sure your own BBC has been broadcasting in mch sound for years and it's a far cry from the archaic ping pong days calling attention to wide separations and unnatural soundscapes we had to endure in the early days of the medium.
And it's certainly preferable to the 'occasional' coughing and wheezing which accompanies LIVE mch concert recordings as I'm sure that wasn't the composer's original intent while creating the piece.
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Post by Lute October 18, 2013 (4 of 14)
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Post by hiredfox October 19, 2013 (5 of 14)
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Post by Lute October 19, 2013 (6 of 14)
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hiredfox said:
Won't work in UK (copyright issues?) so missed your tease
It was the heavy metal band Quiet Riot's video of "Bang Your Head... Metal Health" ;-)
Even though... I am ever so glad you have a good sense of humor. Cheers, Brett
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Post by Cicero October 19, 2013 (7 of 14)
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hiredfox said:
Not really suitable for stereo listeners, in fact very unsuitable.
Just to clarify, in SACD stereo the recording provides a sound stage of decent width and depth, with the orchestra spread out from left to right and front to back, in the conventional way. I do not know whether the stereo version was down-mixed from the multichannel or done separately, but there is nothing here to deter two-channel listeners.
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Post by diw January 22, 2014 (8 of 14)
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Just curious if anyone has the Blu-Ray version of this. Is there anything additional on the Blu-Ray? Any interesting visual content or is it audio-only?
Also does anyone have an inside track on Tacet as far as knowing whether there will be a volume 2 with the other standard Ravel orchestral pieces? I think they left all of my personal favorite Ravel pieces off this disc:(
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hiredfox said:
I didn't know what to expect but didn't expect this. Not really suitable for stereo listeners, in fact very unsuitable. Make what you will of the 'crapspiel' of the Tacet notes but what's the point of creating false images just for sound effect?
My worst fears of where fools will go with multi-channel but angels fear to tread. I'll stick with the angels. Ouch! My poor brain it is still aching. It was trained for more traditional fare. Oh Camille!
+1
I'm clearly another fuddy-duddy.
If I wanted images of instruments swimming around my head, I'd sit in the middle of an orchestra or invest in a swivel-chair.
Gimmickry, pure and simple.
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Post by Claude January 22, 2014 (10 of 14)
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diw said:
Just curious if anyone has the Blu-Ray version of this. Is there anything additional on the Blu-Ray? Any interesting visual content or is it audio-only?
The cover says "Blu-ray Audio", so I wouldn't expect any visual content (although it's technically possible of course).
Talking about excentric production ideas, Tacet now also has a "play backwards" LP release
http://www.tacet.de/main/seite1.php?language=en&filename=news.php&layout=news
"There are hundreds of pieces of music that can be played backwards – so-called palindromes. But nobody has ever seen a long-playing record that plays backwards. Until now that is! The present LP is Tacet’s latest production – a company that is always good for surprises regarding recording techniques. Unlike a 'normal' LP the needle is put down at the lead-out groove and moves outwards. Behind this apparent gag is nothing other than the wish to achieve the very best sound possible with the general awareness that music often begins softly and ends loudly. A great pity that this phenomenon is not taken into account when employing the usual cutting technique, for the further the pick-up arm moves towards the centre, the more information has to be stored per groove centimeter with a constant revolution speed. The result: with an increasing level of sound the high notes tend to suffer from distortion. In order to demonstrate that this undesirable effect can be compensated, the director of Tacet, Andreas Spreer, chose to put Ravel’s Boléro – one of the direst examples of dynamics – to the test. The result is 16 minutes of excitement and brilliant sound, which escalates with every millimeter that the needle progresses along the groove to its final climax."
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