Post by fausto K December 23, 2013 (11 of 19)
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elpibe said:
Hiredfox:
A question: do you know for a fact whether the Rattle SACDs, particularly this Bruckner 9th and the Brahms symphonies, were sourced from the 24/96 master and not from the 16/44 used to produce the CDs? Thanks in advance.
Like hiredfox, I'm very impressed by the sound of this disc (as well as of the performance). I can hardly imagine it's sourced from 16/44.1. It would be a miracle if it were. Thoroughly recommended in any case!
Another recent recording from Rattle/Berliner (rec. 2009), which is even better, is Schoenberg: Orchestral Works - Rattle
The soundstage of this latter disc -- listen for example to the electrifying account of the Schoenberg orchestration of the Brahms piano qt 1 -- is very deep and wide and compares favourably with the very best DSD, the percussion in the 3rd and 4th movement of this piece bursts out of your speakers; so it seems impossible that this would be based on a 16/44.1 recording. If you care for some late Schoenberg ecstatic high-velocity music in glorious stereo sound, this is a must. In my view, there's no better performer of Schoenberg's orchestral music today than Rattle.
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Post by elpibe December 23, 2013 (12 of 19)
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Very useful, thanks. Regardless of the resolution, the change in recording team a few years back has greatly benefitted the Rattle/BPO recordings. The Brahms symphonies, Bruckner 9, etc sound IMHO infinitely better than the grey, pale, thin sound of some of the early releases.
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At the risk of challenging orthodoxy here, I seriously wonder whether the quality of the SACD sound is significantly superior to the RBCD. Since the disk is a hybrid, this should be an easy one for those who own it and who are willing to get past their expectation bias.
It is, of course, a fact that the price of the SACD is quadruple the RBCD price, which begs the question.
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Post by elpibe December 23, 2013 (14 of 19)
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Euell Neverno said:
At the risk of challenging orthodoxy here, I seriously wonder whether the quality of the SACD sound is significantly superior to the RBCD. Since the disk is a hybrid, this should be an easy one for those who own it and who are willing to get past their expectation bias.
It is, of course, a fact that the price of the SACD is quadruple the RBCD price, which begs the question.
To clarify, I did not mean that only the SACDs are better. The Brahms symphonies, Bruckner 9 etc, even on RBCD, sound infinitely better than the early CDs from the Rattle Berlin team. If you look, different producer and different recording engineer.
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elpibe said:
To clarify, I did not mean that only the SACDs are better. The Brahms symphonies, Bruckner 9 etc, even on RBCD, sound infinitely better than the early CDs from the Rattle Berlin team. If you look, different producer and different recording engineer.
I'm curious whether the SACD mastering of this album has improved the sound significantly over the RBCD.
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Post by fausto K December 24, 2013 (16 of 19)
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Euell Neverno said:
I'm curious whether the SACD mastering of this album has improved the sound significantly over the RBCD.
The cd-layer being a downconversion from the SACD master, compared to the SACD layer I notice more resonance and a slightly flatter soundstage, and overall a certain shrillness in the brass parts typical of RBCD. At louder levels, it's less pleasant to listen to than to the SACD-layer.
That said, assuming that the standalone redbook is the same, I wouldn't pass up what is relatively speaking an outstanding RBCD, if one doesn't want to spend money on the SACD.
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fausto K said:
The cd-layer being a downconversion from the SACD master, compared to the SACD layer I notice more resonance and a slightly flatter soundstage, and overall a certain shrillness in the brass parts typical of RBCD. At louder levels, it's less pleasant to listen to than to the SACD-layer.
That said, assuming that the standalone redbook is the same, I wouldn't pass up what is relatively speaking an outstanding RBCD, if one doesn't want to spend money on the SACD.
Thanks, we'll give the RBCD a try in this case due to the high price of the SACD. The information at this site doesn't specify whether the master is in DSD or PCM format, but, I would assume, almost certainly PCM.
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Post by Luukas November 5, 2014 (18 of 19)
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It a pity that this isn't multi-channel.
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I just placed an order for this recording with CDJapan. It was "just" $30.97 with shipping, which is considerably less than most other sources. My 385 points with them saved me about $3 or $4.
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