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rammiepie said:
Sort of makes you feel like a BMOC, doesn't it, Snoop?
Or a Japanese American Prince!
You shouldn't pick on FD. He can't help being arrogant.
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Post by pescholl August 4, 2012 (42 of 54)
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I few years ago I purchased a few LSO Live SACDs, Beethoven Symphonies, Sibelius, etc., because reviews said how great they sounded. They are, to date, the worst sounding SACDs I have ever bought.
On the surround mix on one of the discs they had the left side of the orchestra on the front channels and the right side of the orchestra on the rears. What's up with that???
Anyways, I trashed the discs rather than risk someone new to SACD getting hold of them.
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Mssrs. Iain and Windsurfer....I think it was ascertained on page one of this thread that the sound of the LSO deteriorated when the recording team shifted from Soundmirror to Classic Sounds Ltd.
Thus, the Exton debate was born and then slowly deteriorated into Flying Dutchman doing his best Mickey Rooney impression as Mr. Yunioshi from "Breakfast at Tiffanys."
And for two fun~filled pages a debate raged on between FD and Nuell Neverno concerning the origins of Exton.......a Japanese company or not. It IS!
But, in all fairness, the thread asked: LSO Live always sound awful: why.........was very simply answered on page 1...........it wasn't always awful until the switch between recording teams.
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Post by Nagraboy August 4, 2012 (44 of 54)
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rammiepie said:
Mssrs. Iain and Windsurfer....I think it was ascertained on page one of this thread that the sound of the LSO deteriorated when the recording team shifted from Soundmirror to Classic Sounds Ltd.
Thus, the Exton debate was born and then slowly deteriorated into Flying Dutchman doing his best Mickey Rooney impression as Mr. Yunioshi from "Breakfast at Tiffanys."
And for two fun~filled pages a debate raged on between FD and Nuell Neverno concerning the origins of Exton.......a Japanese company or not. It IS!
But, in all fairness, the thread asked: LSO Live always sound awful: why.........was very simply answered on page 1...........it wasn't always awful until the switch between recording teams.
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Hey Rammie.......So when did the engineering team change from the Good to the Ugly? Can anyone mention any good LSO discs done by Soundmirror?
Funny thing is, sometimes when I've bought an LSO disc and it's music I've never heard before, I've got so caught up in the new music that the sound hasn't bothered me...
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rammiepie said:
And for two fun~filled pages a debate raged on between FD and Nuell Neverno concerning the origins of Exton.......a Japanese company or not.
Clarification re. the Exton side discussion: the discussion is not whether Exton is a Japanese company (that is obvious), but rather whether Exton's motivation in switching to stereo-only HQ disks, after many years of producing multichannel disks was due to the company's focus on the Japanese market, which JD claims will not support multichannel due to small Japanese room sizes. If that were so, I wonder why Exton produced so many multichannel SACD's over such a long period. JD apparently feels that Exton markets only to the Japanese market, which is belied by the fact that you can buy these disks from many American and European vendors.
JD also claimed that Exton doesn't know how to do multichannel and that is another reason for changing to stereo-only production. He made some other silly and inaccurate claims as well.
Windsurfer pointed out his understanding that the stereo-only decision was based on the owners' esthetic preference, rather than a marketing decision based upon the characteristics of the Japanese market.
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Perhaps, Euell, it would be in Exton's best interest to hire Soundmirror for their engineering chores and thus preserve the integrity of the SACD format....a cd layer, a stereo layer and a well~engineered mch layer.
But that decision is not for us mere mortals to make!
You did, wisely, point out that even though Japan has become stereo~centric, the inclusion of a mch layer would be desirable for those outside Japan who do purchase Exton product.
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rammiepie said:
You did, wisely, point out that even though Japan has become stereo~centric, the inclusion of a mch layer would be desirable for those outside Japan who do purchase Exton product.
It was a bit unsanitary for you to have put those words in my mouth. However, I do agree that Exton's international sales would undoubtedly be aided by going back to an SACD format that includes multichannel if done right. From all evidence here, you are not much into classical, but I would nonetheless recommend a listen to the stunning Pittsburgh Mahler disks on Exton. Soundwise they are remarkable and beat any other SACD I have and that's quite a few. For those who are concerned, the sound is clearly far superior to LSO Live, even if those do come in multichannel.
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Euell Neverno said:
It was a bit unsanitary for you to have put those words in my mouth. However, I do agree that Exton's international sales would undoubtedly be aided by going back to an SACD format that includes multichannel if done right. From all evidence here, you are not much into classical, but I would nonetheless recommend a listen to the stunning Pittsburgh Mahler disks on Exton. Soundwise they are remarkable and beat any other SACD I have and that's quite a few. For those who are concerned, the sound is clearly far superior to LSO Live, even if those do come in multichannel.
Euell, I have over 700 classical SACDs in my collection but have an equal fondness for jazz, pop, rock and new world music, as well.
As far as Mahler is concerned I have more than a few Mahler cycles and doubt whether I'll be adding the Pittsburgh Mahler disc any time too soon.
I'll take your word for it!
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What windsurfer pointed out was that the owner didn't feel that Mch could be done to his satisfaction which 100% coincides with what I said. Euell reads into things way too much and quite honestly gets it wrong every time.
As for the rest of which Euell, the ignorant, points out about what I said of the Japanese market is wrong as well, but then I expect that of someone who has no idea of what he's talking about.
The Japanese market, like the rest of the world, went with Mch recordings because it was what the rest of the world was doing and they felt Mch was where it was at (they went along with the in-crowd). However, as is clear, or from what windsurfer summized anyway, it is that the owner doesn't feel that MCH can be done adequately and so they have gone back to what they can do adequately, i.e., stereo.
Gee, what I said was totally accurate and again you can bow to my supreme knowledge.
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flyingdutchman said:
Gee, what I said was totally accurate and again you can bow to my supreme knowledge.
Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha!
Thread: Flying Dutchman LIVE always sounds awful ~ WHY?
Ha!
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