Post by Naun April 25, 2012 (371 of 535)
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hiredfox said:
The 'natural' sound you refer to may be only what you are used to if you were brought up on the limitations of vinyl 'analogue' sound like me, which inevitably will have been a highly distorted sound.
Be that as it may, I have heard (as I mentioned) other SACD transfers which to my ears lose nothing by comparison with the LPs, while retaining all the usual advantages of digital over vinyl.
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Post by SnaggS April 25, 2012 (372 of 535)
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hiredfox said:.
Vinyl sound may or may not resemble the original tape sound (the only reference point to live performance) and may not do so with any greater degree of accuracy than SACD (hi-res PCM or DSD) but we'll never know unless we hear them together. We have to back Simon Gibson's judgement on this as after all he was trying to match the SACD sound to the original tapes NOT to the vinyl analogue sound that was heard before.
There is something that current measurements etc miss with Vinyl. I have some plenty of dance vinyl, which originated on a computer. How can it sound better on Vinyl?
My suspician for years has been that the stylus recreates natural resonance etc that may not even be in the master tape, but are what we hear in the natural world. I wish some would create a mechanical DAC and test this.
We do have a better reference than the master tape, its the world we live in.
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Post by rammiepie April 25, 2012 (373 of 535)
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SnaggS said:
There is something that current measurements etc miss with Vinyl. I have some plenty of dance vinyl, which originated on a computer. How can it sound better on Vinyl?
My suspician for years has been that the stylus recreates natural resonance etc that may not even be in the master tape, but are what we hear in the natural world. I wish some would create a mechanical DAC and test this.
We do have a better reference than the master tape, its the world we live in.
Your last line has more truth than not. In order to truly experience the actual sound of any said recording one may have to actually be in the venue (studio/live) in which the performance was recorded.
EVERY playback device, whether analogue or digital, imparts its own unique footprint and the variables are truly staggering ........
Trying to play back a live classical concert in one's listening room would have to duplicate the venue for that to occur (although some argue to the contrary).
It's like trying to recreate those old 70mm 6 track magnetic films on a 120" curved Stewart filmscreen......NOT EVEN CLOSE!
Whether one has a megabuck sound system or a modest one..........enjoy it for what it is......because no matter how hard one may try........this live vs. Memorex debacle will continue to rage throughout the ages!
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Listened to the Elgar / Delius set and the Debussy piano set this weekend and am seriously impressed with the sound quality. While these recordings don't have the extend frequency range and dynamical contrasts of SACD reissues of Decca / RCA / Mercury recordings from the same era, they have wonderful instrumental texture, bloom and air and a lot of ambience. They are warm sounding without exhibiting ay loss of detail or being overly smooth. It's a very connoisseur sound that is very "un-hifi".
I really hope all of the titles already issued in Japan will make their way here because I want to buy more! My only complaint is that the cardboard jackets may make the discs vulnerable to scratches.
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Post by Alan April 29, 2012 (375 of 535)
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Post by Beagle April 29, 2012 (376 of 535)
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Polly Nomial said: Cobblers.
Ah, thank you for that one, Polly. I knew the expression but had never dug into the etymology:
Cockney rhyming slang: cobbler's tools = "awls" which rhymes with "balls".
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Post by SnaggS April 30, 2012 (377 of 535)
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My discs finally arrived. Wonderful packaging, photos don't do it justice, and the sound is great. How can they release these so cheaply I have no idea. I would be happy if I'd paid triple the price.
Daniel.
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Polarius T said:
Which ones of the new EMI SACDs have you listened to, Arnaldo?
:-)
My curiosity hasn't subsided, Arnie: which of the new EMI SACDs did you listen to before issuing your judgment about their remastering?
(If any, that is.)
Last night, I again spent some quality time just being amazed by the textures, clarity, openness, and timbres of Dvorak: Symphony No. 9 - Klemperer. Splendid work, EMI.
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Arnie said:
...when did I ever claim to have heard the EMI transfers?... I guess you failed to notice that the discussion was about the principles involved in the process... Polyhymnia and Analogue Productions [and] Universal Japan...have managed to achieve incredibly transparent transfers without the need to book so many man-hours in the process.
Well, that was just because you contrasted EMI's "arbitrary" process of "sweetening" (a term you borrow from your seniors here) to the "incredibly transparent transfers" of those other labels.
Instead of being one of those number fetishists who look at the specs to judge the sound quality, I would encourage you to give these new EMIs a listen to see what they have accomplished before jumping to conclusions. That (trying it yourself before talking, listening with your ears) was your previous credo, after all, if I understood you right, and you might be in for a special musical treat as a bonus.
Which Universal Japans are you talking about by the way? I don't always find their results so terribly compelling.
And don't forget some of the EMIs are very old recordings (some are not even transferred from tape but from metal cylinders) that definitely benefit from a bit of a touchup here and there. The results speak for themselves!
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Post by jgr April 30, 2012 (380 of 535)
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Does any know a source in Europe for these CD covers?
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