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Discussion: Charles Mingus: The Black Saint and The Sinner Lady

Posts: 8

Post by diw June 9, 2011 (1 of 8)
I hope AP get this one out soon. My favorite studio Mingus record.

Post by lennyw June 10, 2011 (2 of 8)
Me too!

BTW Some of the same musicians appear on Van Morrison's brilliant Astral Weeks.

Post by Stanbury November 24, 2012 (3 of 8)
This jazz classic dates from 1963, but the recording quality is excellent. No stereo hard-panning here.

The music is quite unlike anything else I have heard...a blend of traditional big-band sounds, powerful rhythms, and some wild free blowing. All-in-all it is quite entertaining.

Post by rammiepie November 24, 2012 (4 of 8)
Stanbury said:

This jazz classic dates from 1963, but the recording quality is excellent. No stereo hard-panning here.

The music is quite unlike anything else I have heard...a blend of traditional big-band sounds, powerful rhythms, and some wild free blowing. All-in-all it is quite entertaining.

Just picked one up from Amazon...........am a diehard Mingus fan and this is certainly one of his very best!

Post by SteelyTom November 24, 2012 (5 of 8)
Sonically, though, isn't there a good deal of Teo Macero-like cutting-and-pasting in the original recording? My early RBCD sounds rather rough around the edges, which I assumed describes the master tape (if there is one).

Post by Stanbury November 25, 2012 (6 of 8)
Cutting-and-pasting of this sort would be contrary to Mingus' reputation as a fine composer in the extended form. On listening to this SACD I didn't notice any such manipulations..maybe I should listen again.

Post by Johnbs November 25, 2012 (7 of 8)
SteelyTom said:

Sonically, though, isn't there a good deal of Teo Macero-like cutting-and-pasting in the original recording? My early RBCD sounds rather rough around the edges, which I assumed describes the master tape (if there is one).

There were extensive overdubs, but no suggestion of Teo Macero on this recording operating as he did for Miles (Teo did work with Mingus on other albums).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Saint_and_the_Sinner_Lady

Post by Stanbury November 25, 2012 (8 of 8)
Steve Huey wrote "his exacting perfectionism made The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady the first jazz album to rely on overdubbing technology". http://www.allmusic.com/album/the-black-saint-and-the-sinner-lady-mw0000192238

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