Post by DSD March 3, 2011 (41 of 325)
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bissie said:
OK, Teresa (and others),
the Rite is now finally up on www.eclassical.com in 24-bit (and 16 and mp3 320).
So now I am eagerly expecting your verdict as previously agreed.
Best - Robert
Hi Robert, it is downloading as I write these words. I will listen tonight though speakers at 6PM and through headphones at 11PM Pacific Time and get back to you.
BTW Acoustic Sounds has a bunch of SACDs on Sale for as little as $5. And I purchased Sibelius: Karelia Suite, Finlandia, The Wood-Nymph etc. - Vänskä for $12.50 so if I don't like it my loss will be small on resale. Geohominid said in his review "There is plenty of extended bass, especially from the thunderous bass drum and deeply-digging string basses." Might just be my kind of disc and I love the Sibelius Tone Poems and have none of them on SACD. If I don't like it I won't hold your feet to the fire as these are not your newest recordings.
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Post by DSD March 4, 2011 (42 of 325)
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bissie said: (moved from /showthread/62255//y?page=last )
Now let's see what Teresa makes of the Rite's puny bass.
Robert
It's not puny, but you knew that and that is why you wanted me to hear it. The bass drum has as much impact, depth and presence as the best audiophile recordings, in fact even more impact than my favorite: Stravinsky: The Rite of Spring, Nielsen: Symphony No. 5 - Paavo Järvi , though deep string and wind instruments have less warmth and weight. I will email you with the details tomorrow night.
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Post by bissie March 4, 2011 (43 of 325)
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DSD said:
It's not puny, but you knew that and that is why you wanted me to hear it. The bass drum has as much impact, depth and presence as the best audiophile recordings, in fact even more impact than my favorite: Stravinsky: The Rite of Spring, Nielsen: Symphony No. 5 - Paavo Järvi , though deep string and wind instruments have less warmth and weight. I will email you with the details tomorrow night.
No, yes and yes. For sure, surely that's impossible?, can't say. Thanks.
Hope you'll have a word or two about the MUSIC-making as well, since this, after all, is why we produce SACD:s at all.
Robert
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Post by bissie March 5, 2011 (44 of 325)
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DSD said:
It's not puny, but you knew that and that is why you wanted me to hear it. The bass drum has as much impact, depth and presence as the best audiophile recordings, in fact even more impact than my favorite: Stravinsky: The Rite of Spring, Nielsen: Symphony No. 5 - Paavo Järvi , though deep string and wind instruments have less warmth and weight. I will email you with the details tomorrow night.
Dear Teresa,
thank you for the long and detailed mail you sent to me personally about the Rite of Spring. I was very happy to read it.
May I ask you to publish it here on this thread?
I think that's the least you can do, after what you've written about the BIS recordings here on this Forum for years.
Thanks - Robert
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Post by hiredfox March 5, 2011 (45 of 325)
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I'd love to read that as more often than not I am with her all the way.
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Post by bissie March 5, 2011 (46 of 325)
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hiredfox said:
I'd love to read that as more often than not I am with her all the way.
Well, that's up to her. It wouldn't be good netiquette for me to post it here, but I WILL quote the first and the last sentences:
Hi Robert,
If I didn't know better I would swear that you made this recording just for me. It sounds very much like a Telarc in the best sense of the word, a high compliment.
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However you have shown that lower resolution PCM can sound great.
Bravo,
Teresa
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So. let me challenge all readers of this Forum:
Go to www.eclassical.com and download the Rite of Spring/Petrushka/Litton in 24-bit quality. http://www.eclassical.com/labels/bis/rite-of-spring-petrushka.html You'll have to pay the 6:02 dollars upfront for the Rite or 12:23 for the full 24-bit SACD. You don't like it: full refund. No questions asked.
Doesn't get much better than that, eh?
Robert
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Post by DSD March 5, 2011 (47 of 325)
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bissie said:
May I ask you to publish it here on this thread?
Thanks - Robert
Robert you have my permission to post my email as Zeus limits the of number words I can post daily and that email will go over my limit. //(*_*)\
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bissie said:
Well, that's up to her. It wouldn't be good netiquette for me to post it here, but I WILL quote the first and the last sentences:
Hi Robert,
If I didn't know better I would swear that you made this recording just for me. It sounds very much like a Telarc in the best sense of the word, a high compliment.
____________________________
However you have shown that lower resolution PCM can sound great.
Bravo,
Teresa
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So. let me challenge all readers of this Forum:
Go to www.eclassical.com and download the Rite of Spring/Petrushka/Litton in 24-bit quality. http://www.eclassical.com/labels/bis/rite-of-spring-petrushka.html You'll have to pay the 6:02 dollars upfront for the Rite or 12:23 for the full 24-bit SACD. You don't like it: full refund. No questions asked.
Doesn't get much better than that, eh?
Robert
I think I'll just go ahead and buy the disc (when I can).
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sunnydaler said:
minor reservations:
at the appearance of the charlatan, two sixteenth notes for contrabassoon are held much longer than staccatissimo mark would indicate.
In Petrushka's room, the bassoon at Fig. 95 which describes Petrushka's tearful sobs sound somewhat mechanical. that passage is marked espressivo.
Hi All: I've never actually butted in on a web-discussion before, and after 29 years as a professional conductor, I am as immune to the pain of criticism as it is humanly possible to be, but you all seem to be nice people and I wanted to respectfully challenge sunnydaler's criticism of the two points quoted above. As it very clearly states on the record cover of our CD, this is the original (1911) version of Petrouchka and not the far-more-frequently recorded revision of 1947. There are literally thousands of differences between the two versions, not the least of which is that Stravinsky, by using easier time signatures and facilitating rhythms, made his second version much easier to play and conduct. There are also many textual differences which I purposely made a Big Deal out of to show the creative process and how magical it all is.
It is clear the Sunnydaler does not have the score of the original version, because he/she wouldn't have found fault with the two items singled out: The Contrabassoon notes are written as forte quarter notes with no articulation, NOT as staccatissimo 16th notes as they are in '47, so what a great composer-sanctioned excuse for me to get my player to make the most flatulent sound possible! The Bassoon solo, which is at Figure 49 in 1911 and not figure 95 as it is in 1947 (another clue that the wrong version was being referenced) is marked "mf lamentoso" in 1911, and not p espressivo as it is in 1947. Sure, one can still dislike the result, but it helps to know what the actual starting point of the interpretation was.
In any case, thanks for listening!
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Post by bissie March 5, 2011 (50 of 325)
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DSD said:
Robert you have my permission to post my email as Zeus limits the number words I can post daily and that email will go over my limit. //(*_*)
That is kind of you, but, since your mail contains passages like "Don't quote me on this" I feel that it would be wrong of me to do just that.
Robert
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