Post by DSD September 17, 2011 (31 of 40)
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AmonRa you fail to understand the difference between small scale and large scale dynamics and why one measurement cannot cover all. The difference between the softest and the loudest sounds is what is measured in traditional dynamic range, not how well or how accurately the system handles those extremes. Analog reveals more sonic details at low dynamic levels than does 16/44.1k, however 16/44.1k is able to handle more signal without overload at the high dynamic levels.
The ability to accurately reproduce loud dynamic events while revealing the smallest detail present at the same time is dynamic contrast not dynamic range, another thing that analog does better than 16/44.1k. In short even though 16/44.1k has greater "measured" dynamic range, analog has considerable more audible resolution. It takes at least 24/96k to capture the best analog recordings and I have read that double-speed DSD is required (5.6448Mhz) to accurately capture "all" the sonic information on a well made analog recording.
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Post by DSD September 17, 2011 (32 of 40)
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Kutyatest since mono is carried on the left and right channels equally the only way to tell is by listening. Mono on my system stands out like a sore thumb, it is coarse, has a "unique" distortion in the high frequencies and comes centered between my two speakers with a flat lifeless image. On recordings with both mono and stereo tracks the whole soundfield opens up and comes alive upon leaving a mono track and beginning a stereo one.
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Post by zeus September 17, 2011 (33 of 40)
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AmonRa said:
Addendum (word limit system prevents me form editing posts...):
Maybe you could just post less. Just because you've found someone who knows even less about audio doesn't mean everyone here should be bored sh*tless with these endless (and off-topic) discussions.
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Kutyatest said:
I just have one little question regarding your comment that the album is mainly mono, which interestingly enough was also mentioned by Teresa/DSD in an earlier post. I don't for one moment doubt this fact, but I was under the impression (automatic assumption, I guess) that it was all stereo.
I mostly listen with Beyerdynamic headphones and then of course you can hear the mono/stereo difference.Mono sounds better through speakers though!
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Post by AmonRa September 18, 2011 (35 of 40)
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DSD said:
AmonRa you fail to understand the difference between small scale and large scale dynamics and why one measurement cannot cover all. The difference between the softest and the loudest sounds is what is measured in traditional dynamic range, not how well or how accurately the system handles those extremes. Analog reveals more sonic details at low dynamic levels than does 16/44.1k, however 16/44.1k is able to handle more signal without overload at the high dynamic levels.
Sorry Teresa, you are dead wrong here. There is only one dynamic range. You fail Audio 101.
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Post by AmonRa September 18, 2011 (36 of 40)
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zeus said:
Maybe you could just post less. Just because you've found someone who knows even less about audio doesn't mean everyone here should be bored sh*tless with these endless (and off-topic) discussions.
Thank you Zeus for siding with me on this...
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Post by DSD September 18, 2011 (37 of 40)
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AmonRa said:
Sorry Teresa, you are dead wrong here. There is only one dynamic range. You fail Audio 101.
I never said there was more than one dynamic range. However dynamics are more complex than just a mere measurement of dynamic range. There is both micro and macro dynamics, there is also quantity and quality of dynamics, basic concepts you refuse to believe because you do not listen with your ears or read with your eyes. Your lack of understanding of basic audio is appalling!
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Post by DSD September 18, 2011 (38 of 40)
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AmonRa said:
Thank you Zeus for siding with me on this...
Zeus did NOT side with you, he insulted us both. He said I understood audio even less than you, meaning you do not understand it either. Do you know how to read?
I admit having to use resources to help me understand audio concepts. I use the internet and accept those concepts that match reality of actually listening to music and reject those that do not. I also use my audio designer friend John Curl as a sounding board for difficult concepts. He has said I am able to put difficult concepts into language anyone can understand. Evidently he has never meet you as you are a real challenge.
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My copy of this should be coming in today. Very anxious to compare the DSD remastered Redbook CD to the SACD layer. Will report.
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SUCCESS! My waiting paid off. The SACD makes the redbook look foolish in my opinion. Just what my ears tell me, not what a logo tells me. *THUMBS UP*
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