Thread: Miles Davis - Kind of Blue - two versions

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Post by Jed February 27, 2005 (1 of 7)
There are two versions of this SACD - the 2001 single layer and the 2003 hybrid, both stereo/MC. The second doesn't seem to be available in the US, although I could order it from abroad. Is there any difference in sound between the two discs (as far as SACD 2-channel stereo)?

(I'm getting up an order, and I'd rather order it from a US dealer along with other discs, rather than have to order it seperately from abroad. If there is no significant difference in sound, I'll get the US version.)

Post by zeus February 27, 2005 (2 of 7)
Jed said:

There are two versions of this SACD - the 2001 single layer and the 2003 hybrid, both stereo/MC.

Actually, there's more. This title was issued very early as stereo only and with the same serial number. There's also equivalent Japanese pressings. I think it unlikely that the current US single-layer and European hybrid (both stereo/multichannel) come from different sources. Sony started duplicating a number of titles in Europe as hybrids, then gave up on the idea.

Post by Jed February 27, 2005 (3 of 7)
zeus said:

"I think it unlikely that the current US single-layer and European hybrid (both stereo/multichannel) come from different sources."

With that in mind, I think I'll get the US version.

"Sony started duplicating a number of titles in Europe as hybrids, then gave up on the idea."

I don't like that, because my opinion is that hybrids may be the key to the success of SACD. If hybrids replace RBCDs in a large enough level so that the average person winds up with a significant number of hybrid discs, they may wonder what the SACD sounds like, and what they're missing. Just my opinion.

I had 3 hybrid discs for months before I bought my SACD player (about 10 days ago). Now, in my case I had been watching SACD for years, wondering about it and planning to get one if enough titles became available. Since I already had some hybrids, it was easier to take the plunge. I think it would be even more likely if I'd already had 20 or 30 hybrids.

Post by Johnno February 27, 2005 (4 of 7)
Jed said:

I don't like that, because my opinion is that hybrids may be the key to the success of SACD. If hybrids replace RBCDs in a large enough layer so that the average person winds up with a significant number of hybrid discs, they may wonder what the SACD sounds like, and what they're missing. Just my opinion.

I had 3 hybrid discs for months before I bought my SACD player (about 10 days ago). Now, in my case I had been watching SACD for years, wondering about it and planning to get one if enough titles became available. Since I already had some hybrids, it was easier to take the plunge. I think it would be even more likely if I'd already had 20 or 30 hybrids.

I couldn't agree with you more, yet someone, elsewhere, has suggested that the CD layer in hybrids be replaced by a second DSD layer thereby increasing the length of SACD time per disc.

I think that's a crazy idea. I'm certain a lot of people play their hybrids in car CD players, on their computers, on other CD players around the house when they aren't in a position where they can sit down and devote their energies entirely to the music. In addition, as you've already mentioned. hybrids allow people to build up an SACD collection before finally deciding to buy a suitable player -- if, indeed, they ever do!

Post by mdt February 27, 2005 (5 of 7)
Johnno said:

I couldn't agree with you more, yet someone, elsewhere, has suggested that the CD layer in hybrids be replaced by a second DSD layer thereby increasing the length of SACD time per disc.

I think that's a crazy idea. I'm certain a lot of people play their hybrids in car CD players, on their computers, on other CD players around the house when they aren't in a position where they can sit down and devote their energies entirely to the music. In addition, as you've already mentioned. hybrids allow people to build up an SACD collection before finally deciding to buy a suitable player -- if, indeed, they ever do!

It's not a crazy idea, only far to early.With DSD A/D conversion being more simple then PCM A/D it seems reasonable to me to release SA-CD players only in the future when replacing CD players, after all EVERY SA-CD player can play CDs.With time the majority of audio-discplayers in homes should be SA-CD players, then is when the dual layer SA-CD can come on the scene.
(people dont complain about "record"-stores being full with CDs either, altough they wont play on record players.But i can remember searching for some lonely CDs among hundreds of records: "no-one wants that!")

Post by soundboy February 28, 2005 (6 of 7)
Sony started duplicating a number of titles in Europe as hybrids, then gave up on the idea.
Do this have to do with the multiple copyrights issue (i.e. Harry Fox agency)?

I keep wondering how Universal was able to avoid this pitfall.

Post by Claude February 28, 2005 (7 of 7)
The royalty issue does only exist in the US. But the hybrids were issued in Europe. So it should have nothing to do with it.

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