Thread: Universal Japan SACDs

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Post by zeus April 22, 2010 (131 of 276)
DownUnder said:

Don't you think that new analogue->DSD masters would at least make "some" difference?

The five classical titles are from the 2004 DSD masters so these will only be attractive to those people that missed them the first time round. Details here (in Japanese):

http://www.universal-music.co.jp/classics/release/newrelease1006.html

I have no information regarding the pop/rock and jazz titles. If they're from different masters, yes they'll sound different ... but not necessarily better. I'd wait for the reviews.

Post by rammiepie April 22, 2010 (132 of 276)
For those who are interested and have a Your Music.com account, Eric Clapton's 461 Ocean Blvd and Slowhand and Derek and the Dominos "Layla" are still available in the SACD format and all are multi-channel as well as some Elton John titles In SACD (surround) and the Carpenters: The Singles Collection (also surround). Until April 27th, they're on sale for $5.99 each with free shipping included.

Post by PhrostByte April 22, 2010 (133 of 276)
Pretty excited about Who's Next mix. Going to put an order in soon. Only question is.. which site will give the best deal, the disc shipped to the United States? Amazon Japan maybe?

Post by rammiepie April 22, 2010 (134 of 276)
PhrostByte said:

Pretty excited about Who's Next mix. Going to put an order in soon. Only question is.. which site will give the best deal, the disc shipped to the United States? Amazon Japan maybe?

The best price so far is CDJapan which has the Who's Next for 4,286 yen. They also might offer you a 500 yen coupon for signing up (but they might also reward you with a 500 yen coupon for buying a certain amount of product). You also accrue bonus points which you can apply to future orders. Shipping from japan is NOT cheap to the US but buying the same products in the US can almost double the price. I would advise you to order early as all these new SHM-SACDs are "limited releases" and once they're gone...........[BTW Amazon Japan is charging 4,500 yen for all these new SHM~SACDs], but as Zeus has reminded us, supporting Amazon Japan is also supporting this website).

Post by zeus April 22, 2010 (135 of 276)
rammiepie said:

[BTW Amazon Japan is charging 4,500 yen for all these new SHM~SACDs], but as Zeus has reminded us, supporting Amazon Japan is also supporting this website).

Not meaning to niggle, but amazon.co.jp is charging the same (4286 yen) for exports (5% local tax is deducted at checkout). It may also be worthwhile looking at jpc as they offer flat rate shipping (same price for any number of discs).

Personally I'd wait until closer to the release date to see what other purchasing options are available. CD Universe may well pick these up.

Post by Alexandre April 23, 2010 (136 of 276)
RWetmore said:

What condition is it in?

Please check ebay.

Post by danfaz April 23, 2010 (137 of 276)
PhrostByte said:
Only question is.. which site will give the best deal, the disc shipped to the United States? Amazon Japan maybe?

Cdbanq will prob give you the best shipping rates. For example, registered airmail is 5.99, whereas cdjapan is 12.29.

Post by sordidman April 23, 2010 (138 of 276)
Hiya Rammie,

You are a really nice guy, who is very positive. That's so great to see/read. I hope that you're correct, but the evidence and truth points in the opposite direction. The sustainability, and value of any format is judged exclusively on sales, which is the ONLY THING that drives availability.

(There's a very famous and funny story where A&M recording artists Deep Purple were backstage tearing into the Carpenters while the Carpenters were on stage. They were really all over them. But little did they know that Herb Albert was standing right there, not knowing who he was, they were really laying into the Carpenters. Finally, Herb Albert pointed out that he was indeed the "A" in A&M records and that it was that very band that they were making fun of that made it possible for Deep Purple to make records, and indeed, even be there that night. Of course, today, this would never happen. All "labels" in that previous sense will soon be gone. And, the few that remain, can never afford to have a Carpenters support a Deep Purple. Now, it's all Diana Krall and Nora Jones and whitewashed and unchallenging and unchallenged American Idol schlock, 24-7).

1. Computer based, digital files for music playback shows no evidence of "devolving:" - only growing, and at amazing rate. The designers and manufacturers in the high end audio industry are finally starting to shift their emphasis toward this fact: took them long enough. I guess that it took ga-billions in sales.

2. Vinyl is just as dead as SACD, and the redbook CD is not far behind. Significant drop off in sales of ALL physical formats continue at an amazing rate. Again, we are not seeing millions and millions of copies of GoldFrapp, Lady GaGa, Justin Timberlake, and any of those country & western whatevers, being run off. SACD and Vinyl are complete labors of love for the few who amount to a few collectors discs being run for a few friends, and us geeks, and the rare among us. Vinyl, is much cheaper, but is much lower quality than redbook CD.

3. People just aren't making new music, (under the old radio-physical product, industrial model), anymore, and being in a music "group" is not sustainable. Radio play, the 11 song album/1 hour album, the 2 million recording budget, the marketing campaigns, are just not sustainable to the American Idol audience, who wants to hear how well your next door neighbor sings that "b" Neil Diamond song: as if any of his schlock is not.

4. These new SACDs are made for the Japanese audience who has never liked new music. They're interested in paying "MORE" for everything as it's a status symbol for the extremely wealthy who buy very expensive Rolex watches, very expensive Halcro, Nagra, Airtight, Accuphase, stereos; and play horrible muzack made by beautiful Japanese teenage prodigies.

Post by rammiepie April 23, 2010 (139 of 276)
Sordidman, I've been a music collector for longer then I want to remember and I am also well aware of declining music sales and have watched every format I've embraced wane in the face of new technologies including downloads. I came to the SACD "party" rather late, having instead initially embraced DVD-A and am seeing a similar fate for the SACD format....with a few caveats......I really love this format and will continue and to buy SACDs but I also buy large quantities of blu-ray discs of movies (both new and old) and popular music because I am a surround "junkie." That format, too, shall meet a similar fate and who do we have to blame for all of this: the greedy jerks and artists who ran the music business into the ground or the buying public, who wants everything for nothing (savvy computer hackers?) Technology is always a wonderful thing but it also has a way of diluting the very progress it tends to replace. They say as one gets older, things aren't bestowed upon us, they are taken away. Yes, a format which favors classical music over popular fare and whose prices are rapidly rising into the stratosphere will NOT have a long shelf life, but all one can do is remain positive and hopefully support it as long as there's a pulse, because of ALL the formats I have embraced in the past, SACD is the clear winner and the plethora of Hardware manufacturers who continue to include SACD capability in their wares (and the list HAS grown considerably) are the lifeline.

Post by flyingdutchman April 23, 2010 (140 of 276)
Jim, as far as the Japanese paying more for less, let's just say that the used cd market is quite huge in Japan and the fact is many Japanese don't go out of their way to pay so much for meager returns. Disk Union is always packed.

That also goes for other things in the Japanese market--Uniqlo is a rather large discount clothing store that is quite the rage in Japan.

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