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Continued from Dobyblue post from links above;
"The Yamaha RX-V1800, RX-V1900, RX-V3800 and RX-V3900 [and new RX-Z7] use PCM1791A DAC's and will do DSD>Analog. The RX-Z11 will also do DSD>Analog and uses the PCM1792 DAC capable of 132dB SNR."
"The Marantz 7002 and 8002 receivers support DSD>Analog conversion in PURE DIRECT mode and SOURCE DIRECT mode, just like the Denon receivers."
"The Denon 4308CI and 5308CI (and the pre-pro above it) both do DSD>Analog conversion in PURE DIRECT or SOURCE DIRECT mode; 4308CI uses PCM1791A and 5308CI uses PCM1796."
"From page 70 of the Denon 5308CI manual:
When playing DSD signals in the DIRECT or PURE DIRECT mode, the DSD signals are converted into analog signals. When playing in other surround modes, the DSD signals are first converted into PCM format, then into analog signals."
"DSD natively is more detailed and more natural sounding than when you engage any DSP's that automatically require PCM decimation."
"Panasonic do not support DSD at all."
If only Dobyblue would come back and update this FAQ with the latest round of rec/amps.
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Post by bdgeary January 30, 2010 (22 of 34)
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Fitzcaraldo215 said:
The Integra 80.1 processor will convert DSD directly to analog. There is a special menu option to do so. I suspect the Onkyo clone will do the same. However, in so doing, there is no bass management, no speaker distance correction and no Audyssey EQ applied, same as on earlier models. I am not aware of any player that can apply these corrections in DSD mode via HDMI. Players can apply bass and speaker distance management only to analog output, usually in much more limited fashion than a prepro. Speaker distance is not necessary for stereo, but it is usually essential for Mch, unless your speakers are equidistant from the sweet spot. Onkyo/Integra processors are all by consensus considered to be weak sonically via the analog inputs, while they are quite good via digital input.
If pure DSD in Mch is your Holy Grail, then perhaps you would be happier with a Mch analog preamp, such as the Parasound.
I have the Integra DHC 80.1 coupled with a Sunfire 5 channel amp. Can you explain the advantages of DSD over HDMI. I am also using the Oppo BDP-83.
thanks
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bdgeary said:
I have the Integra DHC 80.1 coupled with a Sunfire 5 channel amp. Can you explain the advantages of DSD over HDMI. I am also using the Oppo BDP-83.
thanks
I am not certain what you are asking.
1. What are the advantages of DSD over (compared to?) HDMI? DSD is a data format and HDMI is the connection medium. Perhaps you know that.
2. What are the advantages of DSD over (via) HDMI .....compared to...... what? PCM via HDMI? Analog connection? Already hashed out many times but perhaps you are asking something different.
Kal
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Post by bdgeary January 31, 2010 (24 of 34)
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Kal Rubinson said:
I am not certain what you are asking.
1. What are the advantages of DSD over (compared to?) HDMI? DSD is a data format and HDMI is the connection medium. Perhaps you know that.
2. What are the advantages of DSD over (via) HDMI .....compared to...... what? PCM via HDMI? Analog connection? Already hashed out many times but perhaps you are asking something different.
Kal
Thanks for the response Kal. I am only running HDMI connections between the oppo and integra. I am questioning the comparison over PCM.
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bdgeary said:
Thanks for the response Kal. I am only running HDMI connections between the oppo and integra. I am questioning the comparison over PCM.
IMHO, in practice, none. Some find direct DSD-Analog "purer" but I find that eschewing bass/channel management and room eq is too high a price to pay. So, I use PCM.
Kal
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Post by Bobpaule February 8, 2010 (26 of 34)
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Thank you all!
Got the Integra DHC-9.9 for the batcave and the TX-NR906 for the kids room.
Both allow DSD Direct mode, unlike the Onkyo Pros they dont do Pure Audio which only shuts down the front panel, no biggie.
Love em, run em with arrays of 120mm fans on top and updated them to latest firmwares and DSP upgrades.
BTW Integra is the poor man's brand after all, the Onkyo Pro products are much finer finished and packaged, including doule-boxing. Integra is basically a dealer-feeder type of product, hence the price hike. Got mine used half MSRP, so beggars can't be choosers, but i wish they had the foresight to cover the ugly analog A/V front panel connections with a plate like in the Panny SA-BX500 eg.
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Bobpaule said:
BTW Integra is the poor man's brand after all, the Onkyo Pro products are much finer finished and packaged, including doule-boxing. Integra is basically a dealer-feeder type of product, hence the price hike. Got mine used half MSRP, so beggars can't be choosers, but i wish they had the foresight to cover the ugly analog A/V front panel connections with a plate like in the Panny SA-BX500 eg.
Hardly. The differences have been superficial, cosmetic and, like the "Pure" mode, inconsequential. OTOH, the new Integra prepro will have AudysseyPro compatibility while its Onkyo twin will not. That, imho, is significant.
Kal
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Kal Rubinson said:
Hardly. The differences have been superficial, cosmetic and, like the "Pure" mode, inconsequential. OTOH, the new Integra prepro will have AudysseyPro compatibility while its Onkyo twin will not. That, imho, is significant.
Kal
I found Audyssesy EQ on my Onkyo receiver totally useless and had to manually adjust for best sound ,same goes for the Sony system and confirmed by the reviewer in Home Cinema Choice etc. The rear channels end up too loud and insufficient volume from the centre channel speaker . The Opus 3 sound engineer says you should only be aware of the rear speakers when they are turned off. Audyssey will not do this. This is if one is sitting equidistant between front & rear speakers. Forget Audyssey & THX.
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Disbeliever said:
I found Audyssesy EQ on my Onkyo receiver totally useless and had to manually adjust for best sound ,same goes for the Sony system and confirmed by the reviewer in Home Cinema Choice etc. The rear channels end up too loud and insufficient volume from the centre channel speaker . The Opus 3 sound engineer says you should only be aware of the rear speakers when they are turned off. Audyssey will not do this. This is if one is sitting equidistant between front & rear speakers. Forget Audyssey & THX.
Yadda, yadda. We have hashed this over before.
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Disbeliever said:
I found Audyssesy EQ on my Onkyo receiver totally useless and had to manually adjust for best sound ,same goes for the Sony system and confirmed by the reviewer in Home Cinema Choice etc. The rear channels end up too loud and insufficient volume from the centre channel speaker . The Opus 3 sound engineer says you should only be aware of the rear speakers when they are turned off. Audyssey will not do this. This is if one is sitting equidistant between front & rear speakers. Forget Audyssey & THX.
Your system may not have been able to achieve the desired result for whatever reason. We do not know what that might have been. But, it works fine for thousands of others.
I agree with the Opus 3 guy that one should not be aware of the rear speakers, and that is precisely what I get with my setup using Audyssey. I have no idea what you may have done to compromise that. That is how Audyssey is designed and it works. Imaging is much more seamless after Audyssey calibration. I would not think of having a system without it or something comparable.
Agreed, THX is useless, but that has nothing whatsoever to do with Audyssey.
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