Post by trntbl December 20, 2009 (11 of 29)
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I think little bit of compression is ok. I'd rather have few decibels less dynamic range, than listen to low-level hiss my system makes when volume has to be cranked up. Also, listening to high-dynamic recordings requires complete silence in my house, which is not possible everytime I have chance to listen to music.
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Post by Allen December 20, 2009 (12 of 29)
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Windsurfer said:
Generally these low levels - where you find yourself turning up the volume - are superior to the more compressed recordings, because if you started out where you currently think the level should be, then the triple fortes would overload your equipment and sound awful. One of the GREAT advantages of SACD is the abilty to record with close to the full dynamic range of a symphony orchestra. Just turn up your volume and enjoy the blessing bestowed on us by LSO Live when they recorded this work with full dynamic range. What you want would be inferior!
What if I really really really hate turning up the volume (I would not use the phrase of playing with volume control)?
The real question using Verdi title as example is that, if the low sound level in the beginning is indeed intended to preserve the full dynamic range later, why at the climax, the LSO sound is still lack the power and volume when comparing with the Karajan's reading? Why is the soprano voice so weak, and where is the string sounds in the last powerful "Libra Me"? And all that?
I do not think this low sound level can preserve a better dynamic range is a valid argument in this example. Just grab the Karajan CD and play it with LSO's Requiem side by side, you probably know what I am saying.
Some how, this "low sound level preserving full dynamic range" almost becomes a superstitious urban myth now. It sounds making perfect sense, but once putting it to test in a real comparison, there are a lot of holes here. :-)
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trntbl said:
I think little bit of compression is ok. I'd rather have few decibels less dynamic range, than listen to low-level hiss my system makes when volume has to be cranked up. Also, listening to high-dynamic recordings requires complete silence in my house, which is not possible everytime I have chance to listen to music.
What I would like to see is no compression on the recording and a compression option in the playback equipment. Surely, in this day and age of DSP, a little compression algorithm should not be an onerous request.
Kal
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Post by diw December 20, 2009 (14 of 29)
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We have discussed this before on sacd.net, and although lifelike dynamic range seems like what one would want, I don't think it's practical. When I play the LSO Live Shosty #11 or the Glossa Firebird, if I set the levels so I can hear the beginning, the rest becomes unpleasantly loud. And I have large dynamic full range speakers, it is not a question of distortion at the peaks, it is simply a question of volume. So I think a little compression is not a terrible thing, it has to be used with discretion, like everything else.
Kal, wouldn't Dolby Volume do what you want?
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The problem, imho, is not whether your system, or you, can tolerate the peaks but what noise levels you have. Frankly, even in my small system, I can handle this recording and others but that system/room measures NC less than 20dB.
DolbyVolume and Audyssey Dynamic Volume might help but I have not tried them.
Kal
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I don't know why I cannot edit my own truncated post but:
NC measures
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Oh, screw it. Apparently, the site will not accept certain characters such as the one generally used for "less than."
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Post by hiredfox December 21, 2009 (18 of 29)
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Chaz Jenkins reiterated LSO Live's commitment to DSD and SACD quite recently on here. As most probably know all their recordings are made in DSD although several earlier releases were released only as RBCD. In 2010 we have been promised at least one of these will be re-issued (Sibelius) in DSD/SACD form. I hope and pray it will make enough commercial success to encourage LSO Live to re-release as SACDs the two Berlioz Symphonies.
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hiredfox said:
Chaz Jenkins reiterated LSO Live's commitment to DSD and SACD quite recently on here. As most probably know all their recordings are made in DSD although several earlier releases were released only as RBCD. In 2010 we have been promised at least one of these will be re-issued (Sibelius) in DSD/SACD form. I hope and pray it will make enough commercial success to encourage LSO Live to re-release as SACDs the two Berlioz Symphonies.
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Showoff! OK, I will try it again:
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Very curious.
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Post by MaxP December 21, 2009 (20 of 29)
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I've been waiting for an SACD issue of the Sibelius 5/6 under Davis. This seemed to be the only one of the Sibelius series not issued in SACD, although so far the boxed set of all of them seems to be RBCD only. I'd also re-buy the Berlioz "Trojans" and Britten "Peter Grimes" if those appeared on SACD.
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