Thread: Jitter is analogue... from the guys that make some of the best sounding equipment I've heard...

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Post by stvnharr November 3, 2009 (31 of 45)
Disbeliever said:

DSD tubes are antiques move into the 21st century HDMI is now the new standard. get rid of your glass bottles on Audiogon & Ebay and buy a new TV & a better SACD player you will then hear how some not all Telarcs really sound Dark overrecorded bass the wrong microphone techniques many are fatiguing to listen to completely unnatural.

This thread is now wandering a fair bit, with posts like the above which belongs in the Teresa thread.
It's also not about HDMI and the Sony 5400, as there is a thread for that.
It is about jitter reduction in a player one already has, if one so chooses to pursue this avenue of player performance improvement.
The Terra Firma clock is one option, and while a very expensive option, is worthy of serious consideration for those who want a high performing product.

Post by Disbeliever November 4, 2009 (32 of 45)
I can find no expert test reports on the IMO rip off priced Terra Firma Clock. and I advise that the low jitter clock (lowest published jitter measurement) already in the Sony XA5400ES is so good that it would be a waste of money to have the clock replaced.

Post by Allen Wright November 4, 2009 (33 of 45)
Hi,
This is my first post here.

I have never been keen on RBCD, but have been a fan of SACD since 2001 when I first heard a hard disc DSD replay of Steve Davis's "Quality of Silence" (DMP SACD 004) in the studio where it had been recorded. Unfortunately, the actual SACD disc through commercial players didn't sound like that, so I started researching the player Upgrade path. To date, Vacuum State, and our agents around the world, have done well over 500 Upgrades, mostly of SONY products, although we work on other brands more & more.
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To comment on the topic of this thread, I make NO claim that our TerraFirma clocks sound better because of less jitter - because while I am very much a subjectivist, I also measure - and to date I don't have the $20,000 or so needed to purchase accurate jitter measuring equioment. We SUSPECT they sound better because of far less susonic jitter, but can't prove it, so don't claim it. And to those who doubt it, but have never heard it - I say hold your opinions until you do hear it - you could be in for quite a surprise!

Regards, Allen

Post by Paul November 4, 2009 (34 of 45)
Allen Wright said:

Hi,
This is my first post here.

Hi Allen,

As an owner of an SCD-1 I have considered your upgrades from time to time but the cost has always made me pause; purchasing anything unheard seems unwise, no matter the testimonials. Do you know of locations worldwide where one can hear an unmodded SCD-1 in an A/B session with a fully upgraded one? I am in Japan but travel about Asia a fair bit.

Cheers,

Paul

Post by stvnharr November 4, 2009 (35 of 45)
Disbeliever said:

I can find no expert test reports on the IMO rip off priced Terra Firma Clock. and I advise that the low jitter clock (lowest published jitter measurement) already in the Sony XA5400ES is so good that it would be a waste of money to have the clock replaced.

Disbeliever,
You posted about jitter measurements in the following thread, post no. 231, /showthread.php?page=24

Of course you seem to not know what a jitter measurement is.
In fact, you seem to display little, if any, knowledge about jitter and it's effects on music playback.
Of course most people are sceptics about jitter reduction until they have jitter reduced in their player and hear the results.

You also seem to think that you have the ONLY sacd player in manufacture or existence, except for the two 5400's that you had to return upon purchase because they were faulty in some way.

One thing about your posts though, they are consistent.

Of course you must have missed this one in your search for players with low jitter measurements: http://www.caryaudio.com/products/classic/CD306SACDPro.html
Of course they fudge it a bit with words rather than specific numbers.

Post by Allen Wright November 4, 2009 (36 of 45)
Paul,
We have a Level 7+ SCD-777ES in our workshop demo room here in Schaffhausen. Any my two US agents also have Level 7+ SCD-777ES players available for demo. None of my three Asian agents have such a demo machine, although TT in Malaysia could possibly organise something from one of his clients.
But none of us have also an unmodified player of similar caliber - that you would have to bring with you.

Do you know of any independant good Technician in Japan that could be interested in installing our Upgrades there? I would really appreciate any such introduction you could offer.

Regards, Allen

Post by Disbeliever November 4, 2009 (37 of 45)
Stynharr: Cary 306 & Sony XA5400ES are both rated A+ in Stereophile the Cary costs $8K and does not cater for MCH SACD and lacks HDMI early versions were troublesome. The Sony has HDMI & MCH SACD lists for $1500 and is obviously a Best Buy also after a years use trouble free.If you read my posts accurately you would have noted that the two DA5400ES returned were receivers not players.The latest DA5400ES is excellent with H.A.T.S. enabled the performnce is superb both RB CD & SACD. High End Sound at low cost.

Post by Paul November 4, 2009 (38 of 45)
Allen Wright said:

Do you know of any independant good Technician in Japan that could be interested in installing our Upgrades there? I would really appreciate any such introduction you could offer.

Regards, Allen

I know of one shop in my city, Fukuoka (1.3m people here), that does repairs and modifications; it is where I purchased the SCD-1. Though a small shop they have a full range of old and new gear, from tubes and vinyl through SACD. I had them work on my pre-amp (Odyssey Tempest) and was pleased with their work. I can ask them if they are interested, if you like, or provide you with their phone number.

Post by stvnharr November 4, 2009 (39 of 45)
Disbeliever said:

Stynharr: Cary 306 & Sony XA5400ES are both rated A+ in Stereophile the Cary costs $8K and does not cater for MCH SACD and lacks HDMI early versions were troublesome. The Sony has HDMI & MCH SACD lists for $1500 and is obviously a Best Buy also after a years use trouble free.If you read my posts accurately you would have noted that the two DA5400ES returned were receivers not players.The latest DA5400ES is excellent with H.A.T.S. enabled the performnce is superb both RB CD & SACD. High End Sound at low cost.

It's stvnharr not stynharr, thank you.
You can believe or disbelieve what whatever you like.
However, this is a thread about jitter, not cost. And the Cary does indeed include this spec in the specifications, for whatever that is worth. But careful about writing that something is the lowest spec, when it's not.
Yes, okay it was a DA5400ES that was faulty not once but twice. I'll be more careful next time.

Post by Allen Wright November 4, 2009 (40 of 45)
Paul,
That shop sound like the the ticket.

But how's their english? My Nippon is minimal - I can count to 10 and say "Start fighting", all learnt during my karate days. But not quite adequate to conduct business.

Can they look at my website, specifically the SACD Update brochure:

http://www.vacuumstate.com/fileupload/SACD_2005.pdf

and see what they think?

It's a little out of date but it gives the overall picture. To such agents we ship full kits with good instructions, with more than adequate margins for them.

Regards, Allen (Vacuum State)

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