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I was thrilled when my old DVD/CD player died, presenting the opportunity to move up to a DVD-V/DVD-A/SACD player.
I was highly anticipating the surround experience of my first MC disc.
I put David Bowie's "Heathen" in to play.
"Nothing Remains" he sings and then the disc skips to track 2. Only ten seconds of track one will play.
I didn't even get a chance to check if all the channels were working before my expectations of this medium were crushed.
The rest of the MC mix plays as expected.
The Stereo mix plays fine. Though it is not nearly as interesting.
Both the redbook and SACD mixes of The Kinks "Misfits" play fine. The SACD section simply sparkles. I don't think the problem is with my player.
Reading through the archives I came across the occasional mention of discs not playing.
I'm wondering just how often I should expect to have to return a Disc?
Was this a common problem with the pressing? Or was I simply unlucky to have my first MC SACD experience be a bad one?
Have others experienced quality control issues with this format?
Thanks for your thoughts,
Regan
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Post by zeus November 8, 2004 (2 of 11)
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sportwagen said:
Have others experienced quality control issues with this format?
I think there's four basic problems:
1. It's a bad pressing. Sometimes discs can play in one player, but not others. If you get a bad disc, return it.
2. Scratches on the surface. These can prevent the watermark from being read. Rarely discs arrive with scratches already on them. Look after your discs!
3. The laser in your player is out of alignment. Your player may be able to do a self-alignment. Sometimes this is as simple as turning the player on with a disc in the tray. Check your manual.
4. Your player is defective. If new, swap it for another one. Otherwise get it serviced, the laser cleaned etc.
In general though you should expect playback to be problem free. Out of some 300 SA-CDs I've had four bad pressings (of which three were recent and I've sent these to Philips for investigation), one I scratched myself getting it out of the box and another that sometimes takes a few loads to read. Other than that, everything has been fine.
I suggest you wait a while to see if the problem reoccurs to decide whether it's the disc or your new player.
Stephen
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zeus said:
I think there's four basic problems
And so the trouble shooting begins.
So far I know the player (Pioneer DV-578A) has had no problem with any other format. DVD-V, DVD-A, CDA, CDR, and Hybrid discs have all played well.
The disc is very consistant in its behavoir. Skips in the same place, to the same place every time.
"Out of some 300 SA-CDs I've had four bad pressings"
1.3%. I'm feeling more confident about the format. Historically, I've had issues with 1.25% of CDA discs I've played.
Thanks for the leads.
Regan
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zeus said:
1. It's a bad pressing. Sometimes discs can play in one player, but not others. If you get a bad disc, return it.
And the culprit is suspect #1.
New disc plays fine. All is good.
Now I'm batting .500 on MC discs.
And I'm impressed by the size and depth of the stereo sound stage. It's better than what I had hoped and expected from CDA when they first came out.
Listening to recordings is fun again.
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quote "And so the trouble shooting begins. So far I know the player (Pioneer DV-578A) has had no problem with any other format. DVD-V, DVD-A, CDA, CDR, and Hybrid discs have all played well." unquote
Same here. I have a Pioneer DV-676A and had never encountered a problem up until now ... funnily enough the problem was with David Bowie's "Heathen" at 10 seconds into track 1 which skips into track 2 then proceeds to play just fine. This was a new disc straight out of shrink-wrap. Reportedly the disc is fine in other players.
But this little $AUS200 player is bound to have some quirks. I still love it because I'm not rich.
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... funnily enough the problem was with David Bowie's "Heathen" at 10 seconds into track 1 which skips into track 2 then proceeds to play just fine. This was a new disc straight out of shrink-wrap. Reportedly the disc is fine in other players.
Mine is OK, stereo and MC. Denon DVD-2910 universal player, SACD made in Austria.
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Post by Sam August 22, 2005 (7 of 11)
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It's probably a bad pressing, but it still might play fine on another player. You never know. I think it's fair to say that Hybrid SACDs have more QC issues than plain CDs or DVDs. They are more complicated to make and the manufacturers have less experience (fewer disks produced).
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Post by DXiRoNMaN February 10, 2006 (8 of 11)
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Sam said:
It's probably a bad pressing, but it still might play fine on another player. You never know. I think it's fair to say that Hybrid SACDs have more QC issues than plain CDs or DVDs. They are more complicated to make and the manufacturers have less experience (fewer disks produced).
hey this is an old thread but i got this cd yesterday and i'm having the same problem. stereo plays fine but multichannel skips on first track after 10 seconds. i have a Pioneer 578a as well, maybe it's just the player?
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Post by Beagle February 12, 2006 (9 of 11)
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Have others experienced quality control issues with this format?
I have just caught out the estimable label LINN, with a warped disc. I couldn't see a defect, but some physical distortion in the medium induced an upsetting mechanical purrrrrrrrrrrrr in the drive for track 1, less so in track 2, and none in 3 etc. I guess even the best labels take their chances with the run-of-the-mill when they go to press. My distributor has replaced it, unchallenged.
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Post by DXiRoNMaN February 16, 2006 (10 of 11)
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well i got to try it in another player (Pioneer 45a) and it plays just fine. why would it play in one player and not the other if it was a bad pressing?
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