Thread: SACD player recommendation anyone?

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Post by Kal Rubinson February 16, 2009 (41 of 47)
Cherubino said:

Thanks. One question, what does YMMV stand for?

Your Mileage May Vary. Equivalent to saying that some may have different experiences.

Kal

Post by Cherubino February 17, 2009 (42 of 47)
Kal Rubinson said:

Your Mileage May Vary. Equivalent to saying that some may have different experiences.

Kal

Thanks again. For some time I've been interested in, and had many questions about Bel Canto mono amplifiers. Amongst them was whether or not they have enough "current" (is that the correct term for "switching" amplifiers?) for realistic volume for playback of the dynamic range of orchestral SACDs. Your article in the March "Stereophile" re the REF1000 MKII was very informative and answered them all. Now all I need to do is put together the cash for 3 of them!

Post by Cherubino February 17, 2009 (43 of 47)
kingofgrills said:

I have the US version of your receiver, and it can decode a direct DSD stream. I would also suggest picking up the Oppo DV-980H, because it will bitstream the DSD signal directly to your Yamaha to decode. That way you'll have the best sound reproduction in your system for for 2 channel stereo or 5.1 multichannel tracks. It only costs $169 in the US, and reviews have it outperforming machines far more expensive. Plus, for what it's worth, it's a fantastic upscaling DVD player too.

Here's a link to it:

http://www.oppodigital.com/dv980h/default.asp

I also prefer DSD directly to a receiver or multichannel preamp, however, to use bass management, time alignment, room correction etc there is always a PCM conversion somewhere.

Post by Kal Rubinson February 17, 2009 (44 of 47)
Cherubino said:

I also prefer DSD directly to a receiver or multichannel preamp, however, to use bass management, time alignment, room correction etc there is always a PCM conversion somewhere.

Yup. But, in my experience with the Oppo 980 (where one can switch between PCM and DSD ad lib), the difference is minor compared with the improvements due to all those features you dismiss. I really wonder how much of these preferences for "signal purity" (which I do understand) are more philosophical than real.

Kal

Post by Cherubino February 17, 2009 (45 of 47)
Kal Rubinson said:

Yup. But, in my experience with the Oppo 980 (where one can switch between PCM and DSD ad lib), the difference is minor compared with the improvements due to all those features you dismiss. I really wonder how much of these preferences for "signal purity" (which I do understand) are more philosophical than real.

Kal

I think you're right about "more philosophical than real". To paraphrase Mencken, audiophilia, in part, is the haunting fear that someone, somewhere is hearing something that you're missing.

Post by wse April 6, 2009 (46 of 47)
Kal Rubinson said:

Yup. But, in my experience with the Oppo 980 (where one can switch between PCM and DSD ad lib), the difference is minor compared with the improvements due to all those features you dismiss. I really wonder how much of these preferences for "signal purity" (which I do understand) are more philosophical than real.

Kal Rubinson said:

Yup. But, in my experience with the Oppo 980 (where one can switch between PCM and DSD ad lib), the difference is minor compared with the improvements due to all those features you dismiss. I really wonder how much of these preferences for "signal purity" (which I do understand) are more philosophical than real.

Kal

So are you saying that DSD and PCM are same sound quality ? I think that DSD should be better, at least that is the case with my Onkyo

Post by Kal Rubinson April 6, 2009 (47 of 47)
wse said:

So are you saying that DSD and PCM are same sound quality ? I think that DSD should be better, at least that is the case with my Onkyo

If we begin with a DSD signal, there are several ways to get it to analog, some of which include (or require) an intervening conversion to PCM. What I am saying is that one cannot make an iron-clad rule about which way is best in all situations. In the case referred to (and from which this excerpt was excised), I preferred having a PCM conversion in the player to having the pre/pro convert the DSD. Note that, with either, there was an intervening PCM conversion because that was required for the further processing in the prepro.

You might compare PCM/DSD using a "Direct" setting and reach a different conclusion but I will not use "Direct."

Kal

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