Post by stvnharr January 12, 2008 (21 of 58)
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Kani said:
Just a quick question. I noticed on the Marantz homepage that their top model SACD-player SA11-S1 supposedly has 6 channel audio out and yet I've heard that it only plays stereo. Does anyone konw the truth of this matter?
The earlist Marantz audio only player's, SA-1, SA-8260, and SA-17 were multichannel players. Since then, all audio only Marantz players are 2 channel only. All the DVD players are multichannel.
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trntbl said:
Discontinued according to marantz homepage.
If that's a criteria you may as well scrap most of those Sonys off your list.
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Post by zeus January 12, 2008 (23 of 58)
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stvnharr said:
The earlist Marantz audio only player's, SA-1, SA-8260, and SA-17 were multichannel players.
The SA-1 was/is stereo only. It predates the Philips SACD1000 which was the first multichannel player. Marantz's first players (the SA-1 and SA-14) were stereo.
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Post by Orpheus January 12, 2008 (24 of 58)
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trntbl said:
I´m sorry, it is a multichannel player or not? Seems to me like modded Sony DVD-player.
BTW, didn´t Modwright do some mods to sony XA3000 and XA9000 players? Tube output for stereo listening, perhaps?
kristian
Sorry, it is a modded Sony DVD/SACD player. What I meant to write was that it is a non-multichannel SACD ONLY player, following on from the line of discussion on this thread.
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Post by trntbl January 12, 2008 (25 of 58)
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The Seventh Taylor said:
If that's a criteria you may as well scrap most of those Sonys off your list.
Really? The info is from sony website, which could be dated, of course. Any recent info would be appreciated. It´s useless to list players that people can´t buy anywere.
kristian
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trntbl said:
I´m sorry, it is a multichannel player or not? Seems to me like modded Sony DVD-player.
I never noticed this about the SA-17S1 but (though I don't know from which model it's derived) you're probably right.
Likewise, the SA-12S1 is based on a Philips SACD1000 and this model above shown at CES 1999 was clearly an altered Sony SCD-1.
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Post by trntbl January 15, 2008 (27 of 58)
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The Seventh Taylor said:
I never noticed this about the SA-17S1 but (though I don't know from which model it's derived) you're probably right.
Likewise, the SA-12S1 is based on a Philips SACD1000 and this model above shown at CES 1999 was clearly an altered Sony SCD-1.
Sorry I asked if JLTi multichannel SACD player was modded Sony. Apparently it is, and also universal player. I doubt Marantz copies Sony, other than uses common Sony/Philips disc drives.
I have a multichannel system without TV/projector. Thats why it would be so nice to see more mch-SACD players. They can be operated without screen menus and I don´t have to pay for features I don´t need. Plus, I´m totally convinced that videocircuits inside universal player interfere with audiocircuits compromising the sound quality.
kristian
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trntbl said:
I doubt Marantz copies Sony, other than uses common Sony/Philips disc drives.
They don't copy them but use them as an OEM supplier. Until a few years ago, Marantz was majority-owned by Philips (until Philips divested and Marantz merged with Denon). Unlike you'd expect from the type number, the SA-12S1 is not an SA/CD player but a universal player with video output. See http://ultimateavmag.com/dvdplayers/52/index.html
Except for the cabinet and the GUI look it has mostly the same parts as Philips SACD1000. The DAC board you'll find in the latter was developed and manufactured by Marantz. You can considered these two sets as a joint development.
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Post by trntbl January 15, 2008 (29 of 58)
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The Seventh Taylor said:
They don't copy them but use them as an OEM supplier. Until a few years ago, Marantz was majority-owned by Philips (until Philips divested and Marantz merged with Denon). Unlike you'd expect from the type number, the SA-12S1 is not an SA/CD player but a universal player with video output. See http://ultimateavmag.com/dvdplayers/52/index.html
Except for the cabinet and the GUI look it has mostly the same parts as Philips SACD1000. The DAC board you'll find in the latter was developed and manufactured by Marantz. You can considered these two sets as a joint development.
That´s interesting, didn´t know that. I´ve heard that SACD1000 is fabulous mch-player, but suffered from mechanical problems.
kristian
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Post by godzilla January 16, 2008 (30 of 58)
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Windsurfer said:
Makes you wonder what the good people at Marantz think that PentaTone, Telarc, BIS, LSO Live, Tudor, ATMA, Avie, Channel, Sound Mirror, Polyhymnia and so on are doing making all those hi rez multi-channel recordings that won't play as such on their so-called "high end" players. This is something that rubs me really the wrong way. I am not so annoyed by Marantz as I am by Ayre because I know that THEY are capable of making a true high end machine, but their only sacd model is just stereo.
We are a high end manufacturer from Denmark, Holfi. We do do a multichannelplayer using special technology like batterypower, analogue section discretely built and without feedback. We do not do a stereo only as that is cheating the customers- making only half of the quality available in SA.CD playback available. Meaning that we regard stereo playback from SA-CD of substacially better than stereo from CD, but we also find that going all the way gives you the same improvement one more time (at least)!
I would like to comment on a few of the issues that obviously are puzzling many of the people using this site. Unfortunately it is a very common notion with hifi-enthusiasts that you are either serious and listen to stereo or you are a homecinema nerd (not serious!) and then you play surround. Given this way of thinking it is very easy to understand why we see SA-CD players without the DVD-option and in stereo only - as a convinced multichannel audiophile this is incomprehensible and depressing.
As I am also the electronics designer in the company I would like to offer you my observations and experiences:
Having no picturesection in a SA-CD player will reduce the amount of digital noise inside the player - but as the CD/SA-CD playback causes a lot of digital noise in itself the advantage,if any, is extremely small. As a user I want the film option and access to Concert DVD´s.....it is true that dts playback do not offer the same quality as SA-CD but it is still far better than CD (and you all use that, right? As a user I cannot see the wisdom in fillig up my living space with multiple products or multiple set-ups: I want access to everything within one system, having the benefit of the quality of my audio system also when watching a movie.
HDMI1.3 or digital transfer in general I find uninteresting as I see it as a big benefit to keep the noise just discussed within the SA-CD/DVD player. This way you maintain the turntable playback you still might have untainted by these problems. Also we gave up doing digital transfer more than 10 years ago as we found the sound quality loss to be too big. That was with CD, low resolution playback at maximum 760 kbit/second. Why try the same with SA-CD transferring 10 Mbits/second - to me that is born dead.
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